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Accugroove opinions?

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TTA said:
What speakers are in that? (Edit: 21 wow) Are you happy with the performance/sound?
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Well, I'm not sure, to be honest I haven't played through it in a while with a low bass (my E0 tuned Quake), nor have I set it up to its main competition (the as-yet-unboxed Definitive Technologies Trinity subwoofer).
 
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bholder said:
Well, I'm not sure, to be honest I haven't played through it in a while with a low bass (my E0 tuned Quake), nor have I set it up to its main competition (the as-yet-unboxed Definitive Technologies Trinity subwoofer).
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Home studio work or live? Very interesting. Please post impressions.
 
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TTA said:
Anyone have experience snd opinions on the accugroove cabs? Mainly el whappo and el jefe.
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Accugroove was all the rage for awhile. It looks like the El Jefe is pretty much what they used to call the El Whappo Jr. I believe the Jr was slightly smaller than the regular El Whappo. The El Whappo used a 15" sub and the Jr used a 12" sub. The Jr was a bit leaner and tighter down low.

In general, these cabs were considered HiFi: extended range with relatively flat response. The El Whappo had a bit bigger and looser low end. The Jr was tighter and more controlled down low. Both were considered premium cabs with a high retail price.

The tweeters are supposed to be a lot smoother sounding than the typical horn, but I believe HF output is a bit limited as some consider them a bit too polite.

There was a fairly large scandal about something called the Accuswitch. This switch was supposed to magically allow the cab to be switched between 4 and 8 ohms. AFAIK the switch adds a capacitor inline with one of the woofers. This does not really change the impedance as described, although a DC voltmeter will be tricked into giving a false reading.

The owner stood behind his product and swore the Accuswitch worked as claimed. Honestly, I don't think he really ever understood what was going on from a technical standpoint. Unfortunately, fervor over the Accuswitch caused a really huge backlash that did significant damage to the company's reputation. The Accuswitch was eventually removed from the design, but the company pretty much fell into obscurity and pretty much disappeared from the market for quite a while.

I'll be honest I have seen BS from other reputable companies that are still held in high regard. Companies like Accugroove and TC Electronic have paid a pretty stiff price, and I don't fully understand why some companies get away with it, while others get hammered. I am by no means saying BS is acceptable.

I would love to try out an El Jefe.
 
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IMO the jefe more present and forward voiced in the mids/upper mids (and maybe the treble a bit as well) compared to the Whappo Jr, which I remember as smoother and a bit darker. But all the AG stuff took EQ well enough to make guys known for slap very happy. Listen to old David Dyson, no lack of high end clarity or slice there.

Still really great and relevant gear, that occupies its own niche very well. I did a review of the Jefe for Bass Musician a little while back. It was as impressive as I remember AG being, when I gigged it exclusively a decade ago.
 
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Wasnex said:
Accugroove was all the rage for awhile. It looks like the El Jefe is pretty much what they used to call the El Whappo Jr. I believe the Jr was slightly smaller than the regular El Whappo. The El Whappo used a 15" sub and the Jr used a 12" sub. The Jr was a bit leaner and tighter down low.

In general, these cabs were considered HiFi: extended range with relatively flat response. The El Whappo had a bit bigger and looser low end. The Jr was tighter and more controlled down low. Both were considered premium cabs with a high retail price.

The tweeters are supposed to be a lot smoother sounding than the typical horn, but I believe HF output is a bit limited as some consider them a bit too polite.

There was a fairly large scandal about something called the Accuswitch. This switch was supposed to magically allow the cab to be switched between 4 and 8 ohms. AFAIK the switch adds a capacitor inline with one of the woofers. This does not really change the impedance as described, although a DC voltmeter will be tricked into giving a false reading.

The owner stood behind his product and swore the Accuswitch worked as claimed. Honestly, I don't think he really ever understood what was going on from a technical standpoint. Unfortunately, fervor over the Accuswitch caused a really huge backlash that did significant damage to the company's reputation. The Accuswitch was eventually removed from the design, but the company pretty much fell into obscurity and pretty much disappeared from the market for quite a while.

I'll be honest I have seen BS from other reputable companies that are still held in high regard. Companies like Accugroove and TC Electronic have paid a pretty stiff price, and I don't fully understand why some companies get away with it, while others get hammered. I am by no means saying BS is acceptable.

I would love to try out an El Jefe.
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Excellent post other than how old I feel now. That Accuswitch thing must have happened, what, 12 years ago?
 
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Recently bought a tri 12 and tri 15 approx 30lbs and 45 on nice casters Stacked they make an elwhappo. Sound great. Have yet to use both on gig but expect a killer sound. I’d recommend to any one. Accugroove and barefaced are Only couple lightweight setups that spec low hz for that old school low end
 

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craigmack1979 said:
We know it’s heavy we want know if it’s holy grail of bass cabinets??
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It's sure impressive, but not as good at the ultra-low frequencies (E0) as I'd like.

Edit: here's the googlepuke on it:

The AccuGroove Whappo Grande 21-inch subwoofer has a frequency response of 30 Hz - 2,250 Hz, with a usable range extending down to 24 Hz (@ -6 dB). This high-performance sub is designed for, and often paired with, a 1,000-watt DSP-powered amp, offering deep, accurate bass.​
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So yeah, I'm asking too much of it, that E0 is all the way down at 20.3 Hz, well below the cab's stated range.
 
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So the job for the E0 falls to my Definitive Technologies Trinity subwoofer. Here's the googlepuke:

The Definitive Technology SuperCube Trinity Signature subwoofer provides an extremely low-frequency response, often cited as extending down to 10 Hz or below, capable of producing profound, room-shaking bass. It features dual 14-inch long-throw drivers pressure-coupled to four 14-inch low-bass radiators for high-output, low-distortion performance.

  • Frequency Range: The Trinity is known for reaching into the subsonic range, with capabilities extending down to
    10 Hz
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  • Driver Configuration: Utilizes two active 14-inch drivers and four 14-inch pressure-coupled passive radiators.

  • Crossover: Includes a built-in low-pass filter, adjustable from 14-inch drivers and four 14-inch pressure-coupled passive radiators.


  • Performance: Designed for high-output, "world-class" low-frequency reproduction, often described as capable of operating well below 20 Hz


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The Trinity was designed for deep, accurate bass with a massive, high-efficiency output intended for large home theater environments.
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WayneP said:
Wow! Do you gig with that?

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No way unless someone else is paying the roadies!! 😅
 
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