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Additional Cab or New Rig???

DRay521

DRay521

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Aug 2, 2007
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Tuscaloosa, AL
#1
Hey everybody, Merry Christmas!!

If you're like me, you're spending your off time on TalkBass, as usual:D, so here's a question you can consider.

I'm currently playing through an Eden WT550 and a 210XST, 4 ohm. So I'm pushing 500 watts and playing small/medium venues. Not bad, right??

Well here's my dilemma. I'm a pretty tall guy, and the sound's not getting to me at all. Also, the 210 is having a hard time with the lows and mids I'm asking it to push from my MTD. The sound is just a little too thin with the basses I'm using now.

So my question is, should I get something like a 212 or 115 cab to go with the 210, or should I go with a 410??:confused: Which if I do the 410, I'm probably going with all Epifani.

Looking for some suggestions. Thanks.

DRay
 
#2
I'd keep the 210 you have and add another one just like it. Stack the two cabinets vertically and you should be quite happy that way. I certainly was with the two EV B210 cabs I used to have before going back to only 15" cabs, specifically, two Traynor YS-15 cabs from the mid '60s with Eminence Delta Pro speakers in them.
 
#5
I've returned to a 4x10 now that you can get a light one. (Thank you Gods of Bass!)

4x10's are punchy and have balls.

If you're going to spend big bucks for a boutique cab that will do any situation, I heartily recommend a Schroeder 4x10light..

Wow..I wish I could afford one of each of his speakers, but the 410/4ohm/12o0Watt weighing in at a mere 58pounds will fit in the back seat of a civic and can blast away marshall stacks played by half deaf guys telling you to turn down the bass while the 1600w amp is barely on and you can't even hear 'yourself' think.
And with tone galore..Now that's a cab!

They also project and the world will hear every mistake you make..clearly.
The sound guys 100 feet back at a live venue will tell you to turn it down a bit...jeesh...

There might be other other cabs out there that can compete with a Schroeder (these suckers are built tough too) but I found something that works for me.
 
#6
a 410 will give you more lows, which is good, but either way you go, i suggest
leaning the cab back a bit as well--i carry a wedge/wood block with me to all gigs.
allows me to be a happy camper without cranking up too loud. for my
whappo jr, i just remove the back wheels---its just right!

2 xst's would also be nice stacked tall ways, however 2 ohms all night long with
that amp might be risky? how bout 2 xst 210's & an SVT ;)
 
#7
DRay521 said:
Wow, I bet that's a great rig. I've thought about the vertical stacking, but still worry that those cabs just won't push the tone I'm asking it to. Would combining 2 4ohm cabinets to push 600 watts at 2ohms give it enough bottom end and mids?
Click to expand...

The sound will cover the area you need it to better, stacked vertically, as you are creating a line array that favors a wder coverage area vs. a taller area. I know that sounds counterintuitive but the taller the stack, the wider the coverage.
 
#9
DRay, i'm also a bit tall 6'3" for the 210 (xlt in my case) to reach my ear with clarity. Didn't like the tilt back attempts, even tried a wedge cab...singer always complains of some weird reverberation/sound wave sensations when I try to tilt cabs back towards me.

I didn't like the tone of the xlt on its end though....not sure about the xst, haven't gotten to try a 210 xst, 2 might be better.
I think you'd be fine (from what I've heard from 550 owners) at 2 ohms all night....mine is only a 400, so 4 ohms is my limit.

I usually stick with the 410 when in doubt anyway.

peace
 
#10
Thanks everybody, I'm getting some good info here.

The thing I'm thinking about getting another 210 is that I'd rather carry a single lightweight 410 cab than 2 heavy 210's. The 210XST weighs 58lbs., so we're talking 116lbs as opposed to a 57lb. Epifani UL410. So if I want 4x10inch speakers, I may as well get a 410 cab.

However, if I get the 212's as someone suggested, then I'm working with a combination of speakers and frequencies, so carrying the load becomes necessary, but possibly worth it.

I know sound is infinitely personal, but give me some opinions here on 410 vs. 210+212. Thanks again.
 
#13
Without knowing how you have your rig setup EQ wise I would say that would be the first place too look to help fix your sound. I own the D210xst also and I feel that only at the smallest of shows I would ever take just that one cab, they do sound good on there own but in a louder/bigger venue the sound gets lost because a 210 cab (any mfg's) is simply not big enough IMO. If you add a second 210xst it is a huge improvement in sound quality, and as others have said (2) 210 cabs is much easier to move around then a 410 cab. I sold my 410 because it was a pain to move around at 100lb's, I actually went with a 610 cab instead and even though it is larger and heavier it is by far the easiest cab I have to move around....as long as steep flights of stairs are not involved:D
it also will get some speakers up closer to ear level making it easier to hear.
 
#14
IMO a Epi UL-410 would certainly be a nice addition to your rig. The great thing about the UL 410 is that it not only sounds great but it's real light too!:)

Of course if you really feel that the issue is that sound is being projected beneath your hearing level maybe you should just elevate the cabinet some (chair/bench/trap case).

If I just use a single 112 cabinet I just sit in chair and it works great.

I actually did have a situation similar to yours recently when I went from a Smith 5 to an ash Roscoe 3006 with the Nord p/u's.
The Smith is such a mid voiced instrument that I eventually sold my Berg HT-112's (also very mid voiced) in favor of the Epi UL-112's and sold my TFunk 550B (also mid voiced) and bought an Eden WT-550.
While the Smith sounded great with the Eden 550 and Epi UL-112's, I really had to EQ in a lot of mids to get my sound with the new Roscoe.
Even with both cabinets stacked I had a problem hearing myself when the band got cranking.

My fix was get rid of the Eden and go back to the Thunderfunk. It's turned out to be a great decision. I get a much thicker sound out of the Roscoe with the Thunderfunk/Epi combo.

I'm suspect that swapping out the Epi 112's for the Berg 112's would have fixed the problem too (or at least helped) but I've just got a soft spot for the Thunderfunk amp. It's such a great plug and play amp and can really go from one sound to another so quickly.

....Maybe a Thunderfunk would solve your problem too! ;)


By the way, I was born in Tuscaloosa, AL and grew up in Montgomery, Al!

Roll Tide! :D
 
#16
I think that's what I've been leaning toward the most, is adding another cabinet with different sized speakers, like 212 or 115. I think those cabs would have the low end presence I desperately need. But some people bring up an interesting point I was somehow forgetting.

Transportation.

I drive a 2dr. Civic for the time being, and can only get my 210 in the front seat. No room in the back seat, none in the trunk. Our drummer will generally (and thankfully for me) help me out and put the cab in his truck, but if I were to get a 410, or maybe even another cab that's not a 210, I don't know where it would go. Hmmmm......:hiding:
 

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