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Double Bass Advice :1/4 Georg Anton Schuster Bass

I am an owner of a 1/4 Georg Anton Schuster Bass. I grew up around it. For years in the 60's - 70's it was sitting in our garage in pieces and me and my brother had no idea what it was. We rode it like a fake boat (never in real water).

After I started playing EB in grad school I finally understood what it was (kind've) and asked my dad about it. He acquired it in DC as a Howard U. frat boy before I was born. I believe it may have been hijacked from a rival frat, but he is not so open about the provenance of the bass. He never played any musical instrument.

I eventually had it reassembled by a luthier in San Jose in the mid 90's. I brought them all the old parts and they did some magic and when I picked it up, it had strings and looked like a bass. As an EB player I really did not know what to do with it. I practiced with it some, even brought it to a gig or to. I fitted it with a Fishman piezo (BP 100). Not knowing any better, I never used a buffer pre-amp. It always sounded thin and squeaky when amped.

Anyway, it has mostly been sitting here in my bunker studio untouched. I was reading up on piezo pickups recently and see that I probably should have been using a buffer preamp. I ordered one yesterday.

Here are my thoughts:

(1) not being an upright bass player and having little or no intention of buying a 3/4 upright, I was hoping to start playing it again.

(2) During COvid, I will not be looking for a teacher.

Here are my questions:

(1) It is very difficult for me to play, not because of the scale or fretboard. The stings are super stiff. Hard as hell to pull. Is this normal? I think they are full metal flatwounds. I feel like the tension is like 3 to 5x any electric I have ever played.

(2) The action at the end of the fretboard is scary high (see measurements below). I was thinking about getting an adjustable bridge. Thoughts?

String Gauge Action
E 3 mm 16.5 mm
A 2.1 mm 15.9 mm
D 1.8 mm 14.2 mm
G 1.3 mm 11.4 mm

p.s. the crappy string winding was done by the luthier, not me.
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Well, the string height is about twice what it should be, so no surprise they feel stiff.
They look like standard Spirocores so given the reduced scale, they should feel quite soft with a correct setup.
Get adjusters on the bridge indeed.
I'm not sure I'd invest on new strings at that stage.
They are certainly dead now, but given you may not want to pursue DB playing after a few months, maybe you could limit the investment for now.
But if you want to get new strings, I suggest the Corellis in 1/4 size.
They are not expensive, and are easy to play.
Corelli 350 1/2 and 1/4 Size Upright Bass Strings
The 1/4 size set is #350B.

Hope this helps, and good luck!
 
Most teachers are giving Skype lessons or lesson on any platform you want. It is generally cheaper as well. I know I am.

I am an owner of a 1/4 Georg Anton Schuster Bass. I grew up around it. For years in the 60's - 70's it was sitting in our garage in pieces and me and my brother had no idea what it was. We rode it like a fake boat (never in real water).

After I started playing EB in grad school I finally understood what it was (kind've) and asked my dad about it. He acquired it in DC as a Howard U. frat boy before I was born. I believe it may have been hijacked from a rival frat, but he is not so open about the provenance of the bass. He never played any musical instrument.

I eventually had it reassembled by a luthier in San Jose in the mid 90's. I brought them all the old parts and they did some magic and when I picked it up, it had strings and looked like a bass. As an EB player I really did not know what to do with it. I practiced with it some, even brought it to a gig or to. I fitted it with a Fishman piezo (BP 100). Not knowing any better, I never used a buffer pre-amp. It always sounded thin and squeaky when amped.

Anyway, it has mostly been sitting here in my bunker studio untouched. I was reading up on piezo pickups recently and see that I probably should have been using a buffer preamp. I ordered one yesterday.

Here are my thoughts:

(1) not being an upright bass player and having little or no intention of buying a 3/4 upright, I was hoping to start playing it again.

(2) During COvid, I will not be looking for a teacher.

Here are my questions:

(1) It is very difficult for me to play, not because of the scale or fretboard. The stings are super stiff. Hard as hell to pull. Is this normal? I think they are full metal flatwounds. I feel like the tension is like 3 to 5x any electric I have ever played.

(2) The action at the end of the fretboard is scary high (see measurements below). I was thinking about getting an adjustable bridge. Thoughts?

String Gauge Action
E 3 mm 16.5 mm
A 2.1 mm 15.9 mm
D 1.8 mm 14.2 mm
G 1.3 mm 11.4 mm

p.s. the crappy string winding was done by the luthier, not me.
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In the few times I played it out live, it was really not HORRIBLE. I think the action was the killer. I was fighting with the bass all the time. It made it less fun to experiment with. WIth the good advice here, I will try to get back into it.

My plan would be to do some $h!t-kicking blue grass type songs on it from time to time, or switch gears completely and work on my Paul Chambers stuff....
 
Yeah, strings are probably fine and Spirocores don't wear out, so they should last forever. Have adjusters installed in the bridge and adjust the strings down from there. In this process, they can play with the positioning of the soundpost. It shouldn't be that tense.

Cool to have your dad's bass. Enjoy it.
 
Given that a 1/4 bass has a scale length of just a little more than a bass guitar, you could always do this:

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In all seriousness, I do suspect it’d be difficult to transition from playing that to playing a “normal” sized double bass - at least for a little bit.

I have done that, only seated. And in this context, you don't approach it as a double bass; you treat it as an acoustic bass guitar that (finally!) is loud enough unplugged to satisfy some people.
In the few times I played it out live, it was really not HORRIBLE. I think the action was the killer. I was fighting with the bass all the time. It made it less fun to experiment with. WIth the good advice here, I will try to get back into it.
 
In the few times I played it out live, it was really not HORRIBLE. I think the action was the killer. I was fighting with the bass all the time. It made it less fun to experiment with. WIth the good advice here, I will try to get back into it.

My plan would be to do some $h!t-kicking blue grass type songs on it from time to time, or switch gears completely and work on my Paul Chambers stuff....

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