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AI in music

AI could o ly ever create what Sony and the rest already do; formulaic pop music. Miles and Pharaoh, et al. have already shown us the greater influence, but we turned away in favor of the commercial jazz; the genera. Jazz is an approach to music, which transcended the safety of staff and paper decades ago, but that left too many in the dust and lacked commercial viability. AI will exploit us- that's the intended goal- nothing new just the latest iteration of the illusion.

The power of AI is from all the cookies and inputs we provide though our cell phones, emails, shopping, social media, work, etc... logging and quantifying and cataloging even our most intamate thoughts and acts. Its 100% behavioral science now with terabyte capacity beyond comprehension. Any competent and imagnative sociologist would have long identified this, as we have heard in the music of the 70s and such.

We forgot where we came from, both as musicians and humans, and the fate for each is the same. Obsolescence.
 
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I'll go 50/50 on that. Where I am, public transit is non existent. The charging infrastructure for anything electric is also woeful. So, a car definitely makes you more 'free' depending on where you live and what your resources are (or aren't). I remember when COVID hit, our family in NYC was trying to get out ASAP because my sister in law was pregnant and didn't want to give birth and possibly get sick and die in the city. They had no car and literally couldn't get out easily. Public transit works too, until it doesn't and you're trapped with no autonomy to leave. Then, a car is FREEDOM. Both of our cars are paid off and, outside of the paltry property taxes we pay for them each year (under $500 total), the cost of ownership is well worth it to have them.... and a necessity for us to get where we need to go in our area. I also do a lot of my own maintenance and save time and $ doing it. YMMV (pun intended). There is no free ride when it comes to resource usage - especially electric cars powered by electricity created by burning coal or natural gas. But I digress...

The resources AI uses to accomplish its synthetic 'brilliance' are insane.... hundreds of acres are being dedicated just to server farms so college kids can cheat and ask ChatGPT questions.... and did you see the thing about how much the resource usage goes up when people say 'please' or 'thank you' to the AI overlords and it responds? Crazy. Everyone's back and forth about hybrids and electric vehicles, but they're ignoring the huge environmental impact of AI for sure.
again, you get it. (I own a car, and am largely hypocritical on every position)
 
This is an excellent concept for this discussion...
Creativity has always been democratized. anyone can have access to a pen and paper, and most everyone can get their hands on an instrument, (except a bassoon or whatever). This phrase is mostly insidious rhetoric from tech companies to promise the talents of Stevie Wonder to any imbecile with a wifi connection. "It's not fair that Elton John can write a hit and you can't, and we is here to fix that!"

The only cost for this is the violent divorce of millions of creatives from their own styles and revenue.
 
AI could o ly ever create what Sony and the rest already do; formulaic pop music. Miles and Pharaoh, et al. have already shown us the greater influence, but we turned away in favor of the commercial jazz; the genera. Jazz is an approach to music, which transcended the safety of staff and paper decades ago, but that left too many in the dust and lacked commercial viability. AI will exploit us- that's the intended goal- nothing new just the latest iteration of the illusion.

The power of AI is from all the cookies and inputs we provide though our cell phones, emails, shopping, social media, work, etc... logging and quantifying and cataloging even our most intamate thoughts and acts. Its 100% behavioral science now with terabyte capacity beyond comprehension. Any competent and imagnative sociologist would have long identified this, as we have heard in the music of the 70s and such.

We forgot where we came from, both as musicians and humans, and the fate for each is the same. Obsolescence.
Holy @$#! You’re my kinda guy!
 
As far as I’m concerned, AI’s effect on the world of music is of relatively little concern compared to its impact on something much bigger: our relationship with the (real) world around us (and our fellow man) and our sense of what it means to be not only a part of society, but an individual human being. We’re already experiencing difficulty with all of the above and AI will only accelerate and exacerbate these increasingly fractured connections.

With a few (mostly obvious) exceptions we have been able to trust that the images we see and the sounds we hear are representative of reality. But this is rapidly changing. In our current era we’re less and less able to trust our eyes and ears, and I can see AI making things much worse in that regard. In a society already plagued by mistrust and a decreasing amount of faith in our systems, institutions and fellow citizens AI probably couldn’t have come along at a worse time. Then again, it makes total sense that it would come along at a time like this, when it seems that people are happier than ever to detach themselves from the real world. 🤷‍♂️
 
Really nice work Jo. AI Voices are nice and i could bet on real singers. Tunes are a pleasure to listen. What would be interesting if you mind would be to explain a little more in detail your process: For example how you translated Pi in music ? Is it about rythm ? Harmony ? And perhaps for AI's freaks how did you process ?
I'm not an AI convinced, cause i see more the side "atomic bomb" than "powering homes"; but it seems to be a wonderfull tool if well used.
 
...I think the idea that a guitarist/novelist/comic book artist/voice actor making over $100k+ a year may have been just a 20th century blip in history. A window where the creative industry existed before SkyNet...
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My point was - and I think you understand this well - that there was no "creative industry" to speak of before the 19th century. Well, in prose writing and theater it dates back to Shakespeare's time, due to the existence of movable type printing. In visual art, I'd say the "Creative industry" had to wait for halftone printing till it could be widely distributed. In music, at least in the US, it was probably waiting for the emergence of minstrel shows and vaudeville, say 1870 or so, but did not really explode till the phonograph hit big in about 1910 or so.

For all of human history before this, the arts, or music in particular, were almost universally an amateur endeavor done by people for the entertainment and religious purposes of themselves and people nearby.
 
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My point was - and I think you understand this well - that there was no "creative industry" to speak of before the 19th century. Well, in prose writing and theater it dates back to Shakespeare's time, due to the existence of movable type printing. In visual art, I'd say the "Creative industry" had to wait for halftone printing till it could be widely distributed. In music, at least in the US, it was probably waiting for the emergence of minstrel shows and vaudeville, say 1870 or so, but did not really explode till the phonograph hit big in about 1910 or so.

For all of human history before this, the arts, or music in particular, were almost universally an amateur endeavor done by people for the entertainment and religious purposes of themselves and people nearby.

Not sure that's 100% accurate. It is also established in history that musicians bartered their talents for other goods or services - sometimes the exchange was not monetary, but they were compensated quite often. Mozart was employed by way of commissions to write pieces. Sometimes performers played for a meal, or for a few coins. So being paid/compensated as a 'professional' musician is well established way before the 20th century. It's one of the longest-standing 'professions' where getting paid the minimum possible for a life's worth of work has been a historical constant it seems. The *recorded music* industry is a whole other topic, and one that is very modern.... and yet another income stream that has been decimated. I guess I'm just bothered by the thought process of 'historically, musicians didn't play for money, so why should they start making it now?'
 
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Not sure that's 100% accurate. It is also established in history that musicians bartered their talents for other goods or services - sometimes the exchange was not monetary, but they were compensated quite often. Mozart was employed by way of commissions to write pieces. Sometimes performers played for a meal, or for a few coins. So being paid/compensated as a 'professional' musician is well established way before the 20th century. It's one of the longest-standing 'professions' where getting paid the minimum possible for a life's worth of work has been a historical constant it seems. The *recorded music* industry is a whole other topic, and one that is very modern.... and yet another income stream that has been decimated. I guess I'm just bothered by the thought process of 'historically, musicians didn't play for money, so why should they start making it now?'
Well, yes, there have always been professional musicians. A tiny number of them. But the things that created this bubble in America where a meaningful number of people could make an acceptable living as performing musicians are unlikely to occur again any time soon.

1. Traveling shows (minstrel, vaudeville) with considerable amounts of music - but music that could be reproduced at home by the average piano or organ player of modest ability; plus
2. Widespread dissemination of simplified piano/organ reductions of popular tunes, available in the local store, or by mail order through Sears and Montgomery Ward. Also instruments from mail order or (somewhat) easily available at a store in town. Keep in mind that both 1 and 2 required the development of rail networks.

This led to widespread at-home music playing.

3. The explosion of social dancing in the last years of the 19th century caused a demand for dance bands.
4. The expansion of public school offerings beyond the three Rs caused the training of many band musicians.
5. Manufacturing expansion and the growth of unions offered the opportunity for many towns, companies, and organizations to have their own bands.

Now you had a lot of people who could play music at a reasonable level.

6. The invention of the phonograph and radio, and the widespread availability of records, phonographs, and radio sets, both through local merchants and mail order (Sears and MW, again) meant that people could hear professional musicians playing music, that would never come to their local towns.
7. But! Phonograph records were only 3 minutes long. Radio was not clear quality. People wanted more. They wanted professional-grade music, to dance to all night, but the available reproduction methods were NOT a suitable substitute for actual living musicians right down there at the Armory on Saturday night.
8. In most towns there were limited entertainment options - until television it was listen to the radio, go dancing, or go to the movies. So dancing was EVERYWHERE, and most of it was supported by live musicians, as trying to hold a full scale dance using just records wasn't going to work very well.

And let's consider too, the private automobile and improved roads made it possible for traveling territory bands to cover a lot of ground, that they would't have been able to had they relied on mule drawn wagons.

Most of these factors are different now. TeeVee in all its forms, plus video games, and the movie gigaplex, have greatly expanded entertainment options, even in small towns. Social dancing is far less popular. Public school music programs are being defunded. And the advances in technology have made it possible to have music entertainment with one person (at most) required to program the playlist and push the button. When you can have pretty much any band you want, playing through your speakers, with perfect sound quality, for almost nothing, the local yokels aren't nearly as impressive.

The many thousands of dance band musicians that were making pretty good money, either full time, or on Friday night and Saturday night after they got through at the mill, in the period 1920-1965, could not be supported by today's entertainment industry.

It's not a matter of whether musicans SHOULD be paid well; it's a matter of there is not enough demand, and far too much supply; and demand goes down every year, and supply increases every year.

That's why I'm saying that musicians need to wake up and realize that the days of yore are gone, they're not coming back any time soon. The performance of music is going to be very different 60 years from now than it was 60 years ago. That's the way it is. Personally I believe that as I said above, music is going to continue to divide into three streams. 1) A tiny number of talented superduperextramega stars (Taylor Swift style) will make fabulous amounts of money putting out rather bland music performed to the very highest level of precision, probably accompanied by a variety of extracurricular effects, attractive perfectly-choreographed dancers not wearing too much clothing, etc. 2) Generic "music-like sound product" will be the mainstay of radio and nightclubs, generated by AI and all programmed for maximum monetization and designed to be the most effective ad delivery device possible. 3) Actual humans will continue to compose new music and perform old music, for their own enjoyment and small audiences, for very little or no money, because that's what people do as part of being humans.

Threads (1) and (2) are going to suck all the money out of the room, so we can (I believe) expect thread (3) to be largely money-free. Which will suck if you think you're going to be a full time musician in the year 2050; but will offer a certain amount of freedom too, because you'll be less concerned about whether the ordinary schmoe who just wants sound in the background to drink to, will like your handmade music.
 
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That's why I'm saying that musicians need to wake up and realize that the days of yore are gone, they're not coming back any time soon. The performance of music is going to be very different 60 years from now than it was 60 years ago. That's the way it is. Personally I believe that as I said above, music is going to continue to divide into three streams. 1) A tiny number of talented superduperextramega stars (Taylor Swift style) will make fabulous amounts of money putting out rather bland music performed to the very highest level of precision, probably accompanied by a variety of extracurricular effects, attractive perfectly-choreographed dancers not wearing too much clothing, etc. 2) Generic "music-like sound product" will be the mainstay of radio and nightclubs, generated by AI and all programmed for maximum monetization and designed to be the most effective ad delivery device possible. 3) Actual humans will continue to compose new music and perform old music, for their own enjoyment and small audiences, for very little or no money, because that's what people do as part of being humans.

Threads (1) and (2) are going to suck all the money out of the room, so we can (I believe) expect thread (3) to be largely money-free. Which will suck if you think you're going to be a full time musician in the year 2050; but will offer a certain amount of freedom too, because you'll be less concerned about whether the ordinary schmoe who just wants sound in the background to drink to, will like your handmade music.
I definitely agree that the 'days of yore' aren't coming back, but it still doesn't mean we shouldn't be advocating for the best possible scenarios that we can moving forward.... versus just giving up. If workers hadn't fought for better pay and better advocacy in the early 1900s, we'd still have 12 year olds working on auto production lines and getting paid $2/day. Hyperbole? Perhaps. History doesn't necessarily repeat itself, but it often rhymes.... and sometimes that can be a good thing, especially if people look back and say 'hey, they made things better.... we can do that too!'

If you think about it, scenarios 1 thru 3 have already existed for decades, and will continue to exist, shifting and moving with popular culture. That's not a new paradigm. Gig pay for the average working musician has been the same for 40+ years, so number 3 is as long of a thread and as constant as 1 and 2 are/were. But at least now, people can record and distribute their own music in stunning quality with home recording tech - just in time for the industry to leave creators in the dust with royalty/performance and licensing compensation laws stuck in the mid 1900's for the most part.

The Beatles were the prototypical Number 1 scenario example (though the music was amazing and not bland by any means), and the only difference between No. 1 now vs 50-60 years ago is that the acts at the top have become far more homogenized than they used to be, and controlled in terms of booking by a single major promoter (LiveNation). 'Back in the day', the mega stars made fabulous amounts of money putting out great music played well. We could compile some pretty big lists by decade to illustrate that fact. Local artists have been pretty much in the same boat for decades because there's little to no advocacy for people to improve the situation, and unions are often difficult to establish to raise the bar. The mid-level artists are making barely enough money to survive touring, but are making far better music in general than the ones at the very top, with a few exceptions. Legacy artists continue to bank on their past to generate income, touring themselves into the ground in their 80s.

What I see, across the board, is that the digital music revolution which made people value recorded music AND live performance far less than they used to, has contributed overall to the bland stagnation of most everything from the top down, and has given a license to even local venues to say 'Well, I can pay you guys $200 max for 3 hours, or I can just put on Sirius XM. Take it or leave it.' It's fostered Number 2 in an artificial way, unfortunately. The digital revolution, and the advent of awesome home recording gear, arrived just in time for the industry to get way behind the 8 ball to protect creators and performers.... and consumers realized they could have everything they wanted for free. A very imperfect storm.

I also think the same thing about documentation, publication of books and other materials. Almost everything from the past 20 years has been digital, not printed. We've begun to value the physical preservation of manuscripts, etc far less than we should be. When the cloud goes away, none of that can be accessed. Same for digital music. I think we're going to see a 'hole' when people look back at the first 25-50 years of this millennium and nothing will be accessible. There will be little to no record of what's happened, or of the art that's been created.... because it was all existing in digital cloud land.

Maybe I'm naive, or still young enough to have some idealism at 44, but I feel like at some point, people will wake up and value live music again in order to escape the onslaught of algorithms and blandness, and there will be a shift when there is a large scale loss in technology and access when the cloud inevitably goes bust (and that's not IF but WHEN), and people resort back to physical media and live music for their artistic entertainment. When we got hit by Helene last fall and had no power and no cell service for weeks on end, it made me (and plenty of our other musician colleagues and music fans in our area) aware of how valuable it is to have live music, especially when the infrastructure for pretty much every aspect of technological connection for communication and entertainment is gone, out of your control. The paradigms may yet shift again, in ways we cannot fully predict. Who knows what being a professional musician will look like in 2050. It's possible it could improve.... if we want it to improve.
 
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As far as I’m concerned, AI’s effect on the world of music is of relatively little concern compared to its impact on something much bigger: our relationship with the (real) world around us (and our fellow man) and our sense of what it means to be not only a part of society, but an individual human being. We’re already experiencing difficulty with all of the above and AI will only accelerate and exacerbate these increasingly fractured connections.

With a few (mostly obvious) exceptions we have been able to trust that the images we see and the sounds we hear are representative of reality. But this is rapidly changing. In our current era we’re less and less able to trust our eyes and ears, and I can see AI making things much worse in that regard. In a society already plagued by mistrust and a decreasing amount of faith in our systems, institutions and fellow citizens AI probably couldn’t have come along at a worse time. Then again, it makes total sense that it would come along at a time like this, when it seems that people are happier than ever to detach themselves from the real world. 🤷‍♂️
I became distrustful of photographic images with the dawn of digital imaging. Actually, it goes much further back than that once I learned what Mathew Brady did for some of his Civil War photographs. For many of the battlefield scenes he moved dead bodies around, and even added more bodies, to make the photographs more "sensational" than what the reality was.
 
I became distrustful of photographic images with the dawn of digital imaging. Actually, it goes much further back than that once I learned what Mathew Brady did for some of his Civil War photographs. For many of the battlefield scenes he moved dead bodies around, and even added more bodies, to make the photographs more "sensational" than what the reality was.
I think news photographers still do some of that, I don't think I've ever seen an aftermath of a tornado without a child's toy or teddy bear in just the right spot.
 
My point was - and I think you understand this well - that there was no "creative industry" to speak of before the 19th century. Well, in prose writing and theater it dates back to Shakespeare's time, due to the existence of movable type printing. In visual art, I'd say the "Creative industry" had to wait for halftone printing till it could be widely distributed. In music, at least in the US, it was probably waiting for the emergence of minstrel shows and vaudeville, say 1870 or so, but did not really explode till the phonograph hit big in about 1910 or so.

For all of human history before this, the arts, or music in particular, were almost universally an amateur endeavor done by people for the entertainment and religious purposes of themselves and people nearby.
Spot on here. Art/music have historically been for the extremely wealthy. There was a bard at the pub or a grandma that decorated pottery, but to be a pro you had to be in Venice. (I’m generalizing, and I just read jazznfunks comments which I agree with )

And maybe it should be a hobby. A lot of artists and musicians were employed making jingles and posters for ad companies. Big entertainment is essentially advertising also. This led to some amazing work but, like ai and leaf blowers, I think advertising was a net bad for mankind.
 
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I’m really appreciating the thoughtfulness of these responses. I’ve been wound up TIGHT about this issue for the last year or so. I feel like nobody thinks through what these technologies mean. A lot of people don’t. But a lot of us do. SometimesI feel like these forums are 99% “did Entwistle use alnico III or alnico V?” but there are some thoughtful and informed posts here.
 
Maybe I'm naive, or still young enough to have some idealism at 44, but I feel like at some point, people will wake up and value live music again
I respect completely... but...

I too thought, after a decade or so of removing art curriculum from public schools; the decline of local music scene due to dj and karaoke- that people would eventually "wake up" and value live music. That thought was almost 20 years ago.

The trend is by design, such as reducing music/ art education in primary and secondary schools.

If you learn about BMI and the rest; license and fines for any establishment which has music, you see a strong bias in support of dj and karaoke and a clear attackon local music. It was only natural to see the decline in local music [venues], and less interest or motivation in our society to learn how to play a musical Instrument.

Before consumer level drum machines were ubiquitous, it was the acoustic guitar that typically collected dust in the undisciplined aspiring musician's room. This at least was honest- the guitar can't play itself. And thebreward for those who plied themselves at the art was/is immeasurable. And music has always been shared. It has been chained to religion and corporate interest, but it was first of the people. Don't forget what folk music is, the music- not te genre.

The rise of digital/analog musical devices has only feed the decline in discipline, and expands the void of access between musicians and culture. Electronic music is produced, not played like a drum kit or piano...nothing is wrong with being a music producer....its still art. But it's not the same as being a musican like painting or decorating house is not the same as building one.

Many point out the true significance of this topic; its not about music, but culture as music/art is a pillar of culture.
 
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I respect completely... but...

I too thought, after a decade or so of removing art curriculum from public schools; the decline of local music scene due to dj and karaoke- that people would eventually "wake up" and value live music. That thought was almost 20 years ago.

The trend is by design, such as reducing music/ art education in primary and secondary schools.

If you learn about BMI and the rest; license and fines for any establishment which has music, you see a strong bias in support of dj and karaoke and a clear attackon local music. It was only natural to see the decline in local music [venues], and less interest or motivation in our society to learn how to play a musical Instrument.

Before consumer level drum machines were ubiquitous, it was the acoustic guitar that typically collected dust in the undisciplined aspiring musician's room. This at least was honest- the guitar can't play itself. And thebreward for those who plied themselves at the art was/is immeasurable. And music has always been shared. It has been chained to religion and corporate interest, but it was first of the people. Don't forget what folk music is, the music- not te genre.

The rise of digital/analog musical devices has only feed the decline in discipline, and expands the void of access between musicians and culture. Electronic music is produced, not played like a drum kit or piano...nothing is wrong with being a music producer....its still art. But it's not the same as being a musican like painting or decorating house is not the same as building one.

Many point out the true significance of this topic; its not about music, but culture as music/art is a pillar of culture.
I started my 'professional career' in 2003, coming out of college with a Multimedia/Audio Engineering degree and a Music/Jazz Studies minor. I literally tried to start a music career when the digital revolution had begun to decimate recorded media as an income stream.

I know about BMI, since I am a member as a composer. I think the dislike of them (and ASCAP and SESAC) is because establishments pay a licensing fee and still don't do the back end work to properly compensate composers when their music is performed in their venues. When a band performs in a licensed venue, either someone with the venue or someone in the band themselves, is supposed to register the setlists so composers are paid fairly and specifically. Rarely, if ever does that happen. Venues pay the fees and then don't realize that there's more they are supposed to do - or they do realize it, and just throw on SiriusXM, etc and consider it done. It definitely doesn't instill a sense of cooperation with the licensing agencies and live musicians.

I think of what Louis Armstrong said... 'All music is folk music. I ain't never heard no horse sing a song.'

A lot of people claim to love music and live musicians, but they refuse to pay for it. Or, they will plop down hundreds/thousands to see Taylor Swift or attend Coachella. The priorities of support are hard to track down for sure these days.
 
Really nice work Jo. AI Voices are nice and i could bet on real singers. Tunes are a pleasure to listen. What would be interesting if you mind would be to explain a little more in detail your process: For example how you translated Pi in music ? Is it about rythm ? Harmony ? And perhaps for AI's freaks how did you process ?
I'm not an AI convinced, cause i see more the side "atomic bomb" than "powering homes"; but it seems to be a wonderfull tool if well used.
Two years ago, I had the idea to create pieces based on number sequences, such as pi, the Fibonacci sequence, prime numbers, and so on.

So I created harmonies, rhythms, and melodies based on these numbers. I built the harmony of each series according to the numbers for the choice of intervals and the movement of the fundamentals for pi 3.14116 etc gave me the intervals of the chords c 6 11 for example the same for the fundamentals, I did that for the prime numbers the fibonacci sequence 123581321, the octatonic scale 1/2 tone 1 tone and a sequence on the serial system, I did the same for the melodies, I obviously chose the chords and melodies that I liked while trying to respect the constraints as best as possible, then the rhythm, fibonacci I put it in 13/16 for example, I respected the constraints less on the rhythm and the measures to keep the coherence from my point of view, I used on first number superpositions of sequences with arpeggios, on pi an extremely slow rhythm inspired by Adam neely that I like a lot, on octa 1, a rhythm a little funk Slow at the beginning, which overlaps with increasingly faster cuts, a version that also remained in the final piece, Serial Universe was a slap funk piece.

Once that was done, I found myself with different pieces and at the same time very cyclical, which is normal.


After doing and redoing, I was a little stuck.

I had the opportunity to experiment with a musical AI by Udio and the potential was interesting. It seemed logical to me to use it in the concept of numbers. Since this AI allows you to analyze an excerpt of a piece and suggest variations, I gave it a try. It was quite complex to find the right sources that I liked. In particular, I have never made sung pieces, I was amazed by the suggestions for vocals, brass, and drums for octa2, for example. The problem was that the pieces took a completely different direction; I had to rearrange some to integrate the AI parts. The most altered is Fibonacci compared to the original. It's in two parts instead of the original five. For editing constraints, the pieces had to be less than 10 minutes long. Each piece always retains a part of the original cycle. The least altered is First Number, which just has an extra bridge in the middle.

Serial Universe is the only one without AI and without bass, yet it's my favorite, inspired by Ravel, the one for which I had to take classical arrangement lessons.

Also, using the Spitfire Audio sound, known for its use in film music, gave the whole thing a final touch.

Perhaps too much cello.

Finally, Octa2 is a derivative of a solution for Octa1, from which I kept almost all of the AI's suggestion.

I liked that big band-like sound.

Here are four tracks with the Kensmith HF and one on the fretless with a subsynth.

There you have it, you know everything.

Thanks Google, too long for my english
 
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I started my 'professional career' in 2003, coming out of college with a Multimedia/Audio Engineering degree and a Music/Jazz Studies minor. I literally tried to start a music career when the digital revolution had begun to decimate recorded media as an income stream.

I know about BMI, since I am a member as a composer. I think the dislike of them (and ASCAP and SESAC) is because establishments pay a licensing fee and still don't do the back end work to properly compensate composers when their music is performed in their venues. When a band performs in a licensed venue, either someone with the venue or someone in the band themselves, is supposed to register the setlists so composers are paid fairly and specifically. Rarely, if ever does that happen. Venues pay the fees and then don't realize that there's more they are supposed to do - or they do realize it, and just throw on SiriusXM, etc and consider it done. It definitely doesn't instill a sense of cooperation with the licensing agencies and live musicians.

I think of what Louis Armstrong said... 'All music is folk music. I ain't never heard no horse sing a song.'

A lot of people claim to love music and live musicians, but they refuse to pay for it. Or, they will plop down hundreds/thousands to see Taylor Swift or attend Coachella. The priorities of support are hard to track down for sure these days.
I guess I'm just a romantic. Art is a passion, not a revenue stream. I think it's wonderful to make a living as an artist, but to exploit art for profit is an entirely different intention. A proper "music career", along with the matriculated courses and degrees are as well, an industry. And to the scale of a consumer based industry, whole unrealistic. If music is just a revenue stream, and if one structures the life aound making a living from music, they are less of a musican and more of a business- they are subject to the market, and themselves a consumable. Music for profit is about money, not inspiration.

Where does that leave music? Exactly where it is today. It costs much more for a venue to have live music than it does to play the recorded product. Composer or not, if we think discouraging live music is good for the music industry, then we must accept that musicians are becoming obsolete, and composers soon to follow.

How many unreleased compositions does Sony own?
 
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