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ALPHONSO JOHNSON BACK IN THE DAY!!!

Sheesh!

Everbody influences everybody; like it or not, we are all the sum total of all that we've heard before.

That's an exaggeration. We haven't all heard everybody or all people who were influenced by the people we haven't heard. That's actually the crux of this tangent.

Who cares who came first? Actually it's not an entirely puerile question. But the real issue is how do we each resolve and manifest all that we've heard, synthesizing it into our own thing. And our own thing is gonna reflect not only our musical influences, but all other aspects of our physical, psychic and intellectual being.

Who cares? Anybody who likes dealing with accurate info.

This tangent deals with a specific point. A poster found it hard to believe that Alphonso Johnson, a guy who was already soloing on a high level prior to Jaco being around couldn't have been influenced by him after the fact. AJ's soloing style remains the same and the poster said he didn't hear anything that sounding like Jaco... but still found it hard to believe he didn't influence him. All this and he really wasn't familiar with AJ's prior to Weather Report work.
:D

Me, I don't hear any major Jaco influence in Alphonso Johnson's playing. And having spent some time around Jaco in the mid-'80s as he was sliding into a bad mental place, and having met Alphonso Johnson twice, I'm here to tell you I can't imagine two more different folks. So I'm not surprised that they don't at all sound alike to me!

Which is not to take anything away from either of them - each exceptional musicians, pursuing different directions, as befits us all.

The good news is that this thread has hopefully elevated awareness of Alphonso Johnson.

And it's also made me realize that "AJ from Philly" could be either Alphonso Johnson or Anthony Jackson. Ponder that one for a while!

I remember this one as "Slim".
:)
 
Wow...I need to re-visit High Life.
Back in the day, I recall not digging it...at all.
IIRC, too slick & too much production.

the writing on it is absolutely fantastic imo. sonically it sounds great too. i think all the added orchestration thats actually being played and not being covered by synths gives it a very unique feel. i wouldnt have minded possibly some more explosive drumming from will calhoun on the record (its very much just pocket playing, but then again a lot of the best weather report is pocket drumming) but rodney holmes added that element in the live stuff.

its one of the few more modern fusion albums that i listen too as much as the old stuff. heres some footage of that band

of course you're not alone in not liking that album. it seems to be a love/hate thing with wayne shorter fans.
 
its one of the few more modern fusion albums that i listen too as much as the old stuff. heres some footage of that band

of course you're not alone in not liking that album. it seems to be a love/hate thing with wayne shorter fans.


...sounds better live.
The recording/production of High Life is not my cup of tea anymore. Same goes for the Miles/Marcus stuff, too (e.g. Amandla).
For awhile I loved that David Foster/ultra-slick production style. Eventually, I hadda go the other way.

I was looking through my Shorter stash today. The All Seeing Eye & the recent 4-tet stuff w/ Perez/Blade/Patitucci are more up my alley.
 
the writing on it is absolutely fantastic imo. sonically it sounds great too. i think all the added orchestration thats actually being played and not being covered by synths gives it a very unique feel. i wouldnt have minded possibly some more explosive drumming from will calhoun on the record (its very much just pocket playing, but then again a lot of the best weather report is pocket drumming) but rodney holmes added that element in the live stuff.

its one of the few more modern fusion albums that i listen too as much as the old stuff. heres some footage of that band

of course you're not alone in not liking that album. it seems to be a love/hate thing with wayne shorter fans.


That is one sweet clip. I know he is a legend, but, IMO, Wayne Shorter is almost underrated as a fantastic all around musician since he is a wonderful player, composer, and band leader.

Alphonso Johnson is just putting down the sort of grooves that made me love his work thirty plus years ago! He is distinctive on fretted and fretless.
 



That Sean O'Bryan Smith? :) I know Sean, he's a good friend of mine. Were doing a clinic together this coming Saturday.



I do know a young bassist name Sean Smith.


That's cool! I really like his new CD, Tapestry. That clinic is a little to far from Fresno, CA!!!! I'm sure that it's going to be great!

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
 
Isn't that Jaco on bass? :)


Haha, very funny :p



It's not like I said AJ and Jaco sounded alike in tone, choice of notes, groove or anything like that :p


I guess the meaning of the word "influenced" is relative to the interpreter. But lets not start this discussion all over again, everything that can possible be squeezed out of this debate has been squeezed out. Lets just call this debate( AJ vs.JP) a lemon.
 
Haha, very funny :p



It's not like I said AJ and Jaco sounded alike in tone, choice of notes, groove or anything like that :p


I guess the meaning of the word "influenced" is relative to the interpreter. But lets not start this discussion all over again, everything that can possible be squeezed out of this debate has been squeezed out. Lets just call this debate( AJ vs.JP) a lemon.

Trust me, it's not that serious.;)
 
Here are some tunes featuring Alphonso followed by Ralphe Armstrong.





Here is an excerpt from a Ralphe Armstrong interview with For Bass Players Only involving him and Jaco:

FBPO: How did you manage to get that audition for John McLaughlin? And you were how old?

RA: I was 16. Bass Player magazine did a story about that. I’m glad I’m talking to you, man, because I want to get some things straight. I was coming from Cass Tech High School in Detroit with this Czechoslovakian bass. I was on a bus and I got off at Seminole Street and I went by Michael Henderson’s house. And at that time, Michael Henderson was playing with Miles Davis. So I went by Michael’s house and I brought the bass. And he said, “Man, I know these bad guys up in Connecticut. They need a bass player.” So he put me on the phone and I played over the phone with this Czech bass.

The next thing I knew, four days later, I got an airplane ticket, my first airplane ticket, to go to New Marlborough, Massachusetts. Actually, I landed in Hartford, Connecticut. They picked me up in this old ’61 Cadillac limousine and I met Narada Michael Walden, the great drummer/producer. This was 1973. And I met a guy named Sandy Torano. He was from Miami. And we played together. I had brought my fretless Precision bass. It was candy-apple red. This is the one I recorded with John McLaughlin. So we were playing in this group. Believe it or not, the group was called the New McGuire Sisters. That’s crazy! I don’t know why they had that crazy name. We weren’t gay or anything!

I had a good experience there and then I returned home to Detroit. That summer, I went back to Connecticut and stayed on a farm in Canaan, Connecticut. During that time, Michael Walden told me that Mahavishnu was coming. Next thing I knew Michael had changed his name to Narada and he was wearing all this white stuff and burning incense. John McLaughlin came up there and I played with him and Narada with my fretless Precision bass. I’m pretty sure I’m one of the first musicians that ever recorded with a fretless Precision. John liked the bass so much that he invited me to join the group.

Now, on that same day, Jaco Pastorius came with his “bass of doom.” He came and auditioned after me and John gave me the gig because he loved the sound of the fretless Precision bass. And Jaco got mad and ripped all the frets out of his bass and put epoxy in there! I played his bass like three months later, man. You’d play G on it and sounded like F. It was out. It was so out! Jaco was a good cat, but he was kind of mad he didn’t get the gig. I also found it funny that he never had a case for that bass. He and Michael Henderson were very similar. They’d each walk around with the bass without a case.

Interesting.
 

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