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Am I going about this all wrong?

Ummm... to the OP, you graduated in the middle of a recession. There are no good jobs. Any job is a good job under these circumstances, just keep your head above water till things gradually turn.

School was never about guaranteeing anything - if something gave you the impression it was, sorry. It gives you tools, what you make of them is up to you and to the opportunities around you.

Not making friends, well, that's definitely up to you. Think about what you're interested in and go to the places where other people interested in that hang out. Books? Volunteer at your local library, join a reading club. Music? Go to open mikes and jams, buy someone from a band you like a drink. Religion? Pick a church. Outdoors? There are lots of outing clubs and things out there. A lot of those can end up with networking opportunities for careers too (a member of your book club is getting married, she needs a band to play the reception...).
 
lots of reality in the last two posts. everybody is just hanging tough, and i think we'll be doing that for at least a couple years yet. i have some career/life goals on hold but right now i'm eating and making my car payment so that will have to do.
 
There are no good jobs.

There are plenty of good jobs in engineering. But that's harder than majoring in saxophone. Seriously, what were your plans when you decided to major in saxophone? What were these "green pastures" you heard about?

My opinion is that music makes a great hobby unless you are extremely talented and very lucky, in which case you might catch a break and actually go somewhere in the music industry. Maybe you could get a credential and teach music, but that's not a particularly lucrative field these days.

My suggestion would be to research what fields are on the upswing and return to college to get a relevant degree. Since all your GE is already completed, it should only take a couple years, which would be time well-spent. Maybe an aptitude test to see where your efforts would be best directed.

Someone else correctly interpreted my "other people are screwed up" comment in my previous post. It sounds to me like you have an attitude issue. We all have to deal with screwed-up people every day. They're a part of life. So ultimately, the responsibility to succeed falls on the individual. It's about rolling with the punches and not letting the screwed-up people get in your way. It's also about not being screwed-up yourself.
 
There are plenty of good jobs in engineering. But that's harder than majoring in saxophone. Seriously, what were your plans when you decided to major in saxophone? What were these "green pastures" you heard about?

My opinion is that music makes a great hobby unless you are extremely talented and very lucky, in which case you might catch a break and actually go somewhere in the music industry. Maybe you could get a credential and teach music, but that's not a particularly lucrative field these days.

My suggestion would be to research what fields are on the upswing and return to college to get a relevant degree. Since all your GE is already completed, it should only take a couple years, which would be time well-spent. Maybe an aptitude test to see where your efforts would be best directed.

Someone else correctly interpreted my "other people are screwed up" comment in my previous post. It sounds to me like you have an attitude issue. We all have to deal with screwed-up people every day. They're a part of life. So ultimately, the responsibility to succeed falls on the individual. It's about rolling with the punches and not letting the screwed-up people get in your way. It's also about not being screwed-up yourself.

+1
 
There are plenty of good jobs in engineering. But that's harder than majoring in saxophone. Seriously, what were your plans when you decided to major in saxophone? What were these "green pastures" you heard about?
As stated before, I was going to become a music educator. When I changed majors, my anticipations were little beyond graduating with a piece of paper and composing. I also heard a lot about Sax Majors going on to make a lot of money playing with various jazz groups.

My opinion is that music makes a great hobby unless you are extremely talented and very lucky, in which case you might catch a break and actually go somewhere in the music industry. Maybe you could get a credential and teach music, but that's not a particularly lucrative field these days.
Indeed, not quite lucrative, but certainly something that I could reach some underground level of fame at some point. Enough to keep playing.

My suggestion would be to research what fields are on the upswing and return to college to get a relevant degree. Since all your GE is already completed, it should only take a couple years, which would be time well-spent. Maybe an aptitude test to see where your efforts would be best directed.

Someone else correctly interpreted my "other people are screwed up" comment in my previous post. It sounds to me like you have an attitude issue. We all have to deal with screwed-up people every day. They're a part of life. So ultimately, the responsibility to succeed falls on the individual. It's about rolling with the punches and not letting the screwed-up people get in your way. It's also about not being screwed-up yourself.

I'm currently taking all sorts of skill-matching and aptitude testing right now with a counselor. Hopefully we'll find something rewarding that doesn't consume my appetite for other endeavors. That is the goal after all.

True, people are ****ed up. Can't deny it. But the problem isn't harassment from a single cockroach. Its that there's too many of them all looking for a quick fix. I know I'm capable of working various situations, but considering the things that people will do to kick an employee off the job it puts the difference of keeping one on a very thin line.

Thanx for the advice.
 
I just want to say how funny schooling (in general) will teach you about quantum mechanics, molecular biology, Kantian ethics, and all this other nonsense and yet they can`t teach someone how to be successful in life and maintain a stable, well paying job.

The problem here is that he isn't learning any of those topics; he taking music.
This is not a great time to be looking for a job -- particularly with a
liberal arts degree. My suggestion is to look for a practical application
for that degree (e.g. teaching, not playing in a band).
 
There are plenty of good jobs in engineering.

I know Munji, I was exaggerating to make the point. The OP has only been out of school a year or so, and while there are some good jobs around, they're not dropping from the trees in the current climate. I was just saying one needs to see these things in perspective.
 
Find something you think you would love to do as a career and go for it. I have no college degree but I love what I do and make decent money. I work as a corrections officer for the State I live in and am content. I have job security, benefits and retirement. My wife is in the same boat as I am. She only has her high school diploma but last year went to school to become and EMT because that has been her life long dream. She has now been an EMT for almost a year and is doing great. My Dad was a long ditance truck driver until he was diagnosed with M.S. but he loved what he did. I have a nephew that did go to college because his parents urged him to do so but most of his money is from professional photography. He takes professional pictures of either people, nature or whatever and sells them. I am also a pastor and love that too. That job doesn't pay me any money but nevertheless, I enjoy doing it because I get to serve others and minister to them. I may not be the richest guy in the world but I am content and have managed my finances well so I live well. The problem is people get a job that pays 20k a year and they live paycheck to paycheck. Then a few years down the road, they either promote or find something better and now they make 40k a year but still live paycheck to paycheck because they want more stuff. Then maybe they do real well and make 100k a year and it is still the same thing. Then the economy takes a dump and they lose their 100k a year job and have a hard time going back to that 40k a year job yet if from day one they had simply lived like they only made 30k or 40k all along, when they lost that 100k a year job and had to go back to 40k a year or even 80k a year, they would still be in good shape. While money is important, don't just look for something that pays big. There are other jobs I could do that would pay more but I am happy where I am. I get vacation a few times a year, I get a 3 day weekend once a month and I am blessed to not have to worry about losing my job. I don't say that boastfully either because my heart breaks for those who are out of work but I take that as a comfort because I know that my family is being taken care of even in these tough times.
Best of luck to you in your job search!
Jay

I have to commend this reply, sometimes the right words said at the worst of times can give a person faith to keep on keepin' on..
 
The problem here is that he isn't learning any of those topics; he TOOK music.
This is not a great time to be looking for a job -- particularly with a
liberal arts degree. My suggestion is to look for a practical application
for that degree (e.g. teaching, not playing in a band).
indeed, I can see a band being a hard bargain at the moment, but its still something I want to do. In the meantime I'm seeing about maybe journalism, music therapy, or radio and television broadcasting as possibilities. I have a degree, so its a good base to put a master on when I decide what I have to do.
4th - Work on interviews. Nail your dress, appearance, how to act, and all that stuff. Plenty of stuff online. Get a blue suit and a good pair of black dress shoes.
I have a black tux, black suit, black pants, tie, black shoes, etc. My interviewing is clean, humble, and courteous. I'm looking into maybe editing my resume (seasonal employment for the last 5 years may need some revision)
Ummm... to the OP, you graduated in the middle of a recession. There are no good jobs. Any job is a good job under these circumstances, just keep your head above water till things gradually turn.

Not making friends, well, that's definitely up to you. Think about what you're interested in and go to the places where other people interested in that hang out. Books? Volunteer at your local library, join a reading club. Music? Go to open mikes and jams, buy someone from a band you like a drink. Religion? Pick a church. Outdoors? There are lots of outing clubs and things out there. A lot of those can end up with networking opportunities for careers too (a member of your book club is getting married, she needs a band to play the reception...).
well, in the middle of a recession I almost kept a job bringing in 36.5K so it couldn't have been that bad. I do have to look into the money ops and see where the best places to play out are. I'm currently seeing about learning acoustic guitar to sort of "hold my own", as any Joe Guitar plays acoustic and has a repertoire of songs he can play that will grab a few extra bucks.
That's well put...although this is not technically part of your education, it's a service provided by most institutions. Many people never make use of the career center or related services - but they definitely should! Training in interviewing and job-seeking is a real asset, and job listings that come in through the institution are worth pursuing.
I mentioned about 5 times now I've been getting career counseling and job seeking counseling.
theater and cruise ship work if you can. It's work for someone who can read, and it's one of the most likely places for horn players to find work. There is actually a lot out there.
Cruising is definitely possible. Two things concern me: 1. as a horn player they want me playing 3-4 instruments fluently (flute, clarinet, trumpet, AND sax, for example. I don't think they would gun for a horn player that just so happens to play bass.). 2. I'm concerned that its going to become a gig that I'm sucked into and that when I reach my older years (give or take twenty) that I may just be ejected once again without another employment opportunity. That being said I've applied with Royal Caribbean and Carnival. Carnival, the time back when I did apply for it, gave a pretty strict phone interview. Hopefully I'm going to be able to see about it.

Huh? Did you mean to write that you were "not one of the few students flailing like a paraplegic"? Or do you think that "flailing around like a paraplegic" is a trait that makes for a good conductor?
Thanx for notifying me of that, Febs. That was an error. "was one of the few students NOT flailing" was the intention in my words
 
I have a black tux, black suit, black pants, tie, black shoes, etc. My interviewing is clean, humble, and courteous. I'm looking into maybe editing my resume (seasonal employment for the last 5 years may need some revision)
Not trying to get nitpicky, but try to look into the advice being given. Black is usually reserved for evening/formal occasions. Navy or a (not too light) grey is preferable. You don't need to spend a lot of money, but pay the extra to have the suit tailored to fit your torso,etc; it really cleans up the look.

Mike
 
Not trying to get nitpicky, but try to look into the advice being given. Black is usually reserved for evening/formal occasions. Navy or a (not too light) grey is preferable. You don't need to spend a lot of money, but pay the extra to have the suit tailored to fit your torso,etc; it really cleans up the look.

Mike

Yep. Get a haircut. Shave the goat. Get a blue suit. Black just looks like someone wasn't willing to go that extra step, and just grabbed the only suit they had.
 
my mistake; I did not know that today black is considered "too much"...But I usually do go with black pants, a black peacoat, and some variety plaid shirt. Anyways, I was just trying to make the point that I don't go for the "slouch" persona. Maybe next time I'll see about the blue/navy coloration.
 
my mistake; I did not know that today black is considered "too much"...But I usually do go with black pants, a black peacoat, and some variety plaid shirt. Anyways, I was just trying to make the point that I don't go for the "slouch" persona. Maybe next time I'll see about the blue/navy coloration.
Look, I don't know enough about you to say that you interviewing is great or ******, but in the spirit of the thread title, I'm just trying to pass on what I would do different based on the given facts. If you ARE going to purchase a new suit, it needn't be expensive, but make sure to talk to the guy about what you're doing and let him through out his opinion. I've had a lot of luck with informed people pointing me in a direction and finding out the advice was sound for all the reasons they stated.

Mike
 
Look, I don't know enough about you to say that you interviewing is great or ******, but in the spirit of the thread title, I'm just trying to pass on what I would do different based on the given facts. If you ARE going to purchase a new suit, it needn't be expensive, but make sure to talk to the guy about what you're doing and let him through out his opinion. I've had a lot of luck with informed people pointing me in a direction and finding out the advice was sound for all the reasons they stated.

Mike

+1. Exactly.

TO THE OP: It's sounds to me that you're opening your mind to the idea of changing your approach the situation. That's a great first step. We're not saying these things because we want to knock you down, we're saying these things because you're a bass brother and we want to help you out. We might be a little older that you, and many of us (myself especially) have been where you are and have made many mistakes. The more you can avoid these mistakes, the better you'll be. :)