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Another band comparison thread - Yes vs. Genesis

Which band do you prefer?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 46.3%
  • Genesis

    Votes: 14 34.1%
  • Carrots

    Votes: 12 29.3%

  • Total voters
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can’t play this game, then. I think “Yes West” has some of their absolute best work. Genesis I’d include “Abacab”.
Yeah, I was just trying to avoid controversy to some degree. Personally I find 90125 very interesting (though It Can Happen sounds a bit more Pink Floyd-ish - still very nice). And Me And Sarah Jane and Dodo/Lurker are among my favourite Genesis songs of all time. It's just, well, there are too many filler songs (mainly written by Mike and Phil) in Abacab to my liking.
And - to me it's Tony Banks that led Genesis after Peter's departure. IIRC Steve didn't write that much for TOTT and W&W; and Tony penned literally all the prog songs during their transition era. And then the band fell apart when Mike and Phil sneaked in to write songs.
Instrumentation wise - I agree that Yes would eat Genesis (except Phil - a mighty fine drummer) for lunch. To me Genesis is like the Beatles - the composition nearly beats the instrumentation (to misquote Pete Townshend). But again, Yes are VIRTUOSI. So there's really no single winner here.
 
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No surprise at the close match here.

In thinking about this I wondered for myself why the answer is Yes for me. Realized that Yes was force fed to me when I was 16. The first band I was in that ever did anything worthwhile was led by a neighborhood music guru who locked me in a room one time pointing out things to appreciate in Tales From Topographic Oceans. On first listen I didn't think I'd ever appreciate any of that as he did, but the 10th... I was gone. I wanted to play guitar like Steve Howe, which might have something to do with my eventually switching to bass. That wasn't ever going to happen :).

Anyhow, had that guy force fed me Genesis as opposed to Yes, I'm fairly certain THAT would be my response here. Never really got into them though.

Thinking now where my musical life would have been today if those around me pushed other music. I never got into the Grateful Dead at all... I never hung out with anyone into the Grateful Dead... and I never heard a Grateful Dead song/performance that I didn't think was awesome. I think I need to start listening to the Dead. I might very well be a closet Dead Head.

Can someone be a clean and sober Dead Head :) ?
 
In live performances, I will give the edge to Genesis for the great theatrics that Peter provided, creating stories within the songs for us to follow along to.
To help muddy the waters, in live performances, I will give the edge to Yes for the amazing Roger Dean stage sets during the '70s. :bassist:

Hope this helps. :D
 
First of all let's set a rule - only the progressive era of each band would count in this discussion. Let's say, Yes up until Drama, and Genesis up until Duke. NO Yes-West and NO The Phil Collins Supergroup.
Personally I feel Yes is a bit more "brilliant", a modern art type of impression. Genesis feels more relaxed, more "spontaneous" with an open, natural soundscape.

I changed my vote to carrots after reading this. I prefer the 80s versions of both bands.
 
To me, they truly were equals (we are discussing the earlier parts of their trajectory). Each band did their own thing, musically. And both were superb, in recordings, and on stage. In live performances, I will give the edge to Genesis for the great theatrics that Peter provided, creating stories within the songs for us to follow along to.

Interesting thread!

As Jeff often does, he knocked it out of the park and rendered my post redundant! :)

And to hit on a few other points raised (by Jeff and others), Yes had the edge (pun intended) in some ways as far as live presentations go, but Genesis was no slouch with Peter’s stage presence, costumes, their innovative stage sets (making a lot out of very little), and especially, and the slide shows and movies that they did for Lamb and for the Trick of the Tail tour (yes, they used much of the Lamb slides and movies for their abbreviated Lamb numbers). For the Trick tour they had some new movies and slides (on the same three screens) which were very effective. And then perhaps best of all was the “Mirrors” tour in 1978 that was one of the best examples of stagecraft I have ever witnessed. (I took photos at the MSG show in NYC, and was lucky enough to be there on the night that Gabriel showed up for the encore (“I know what I like”)).

But as far as their music, I would have to cite the oft-mentioned “the bands were so different, despite being mentioned in the same breath” logic. To me, they were both amazing bands that took music and stagecraft to places that had not been attempted before.

Forbidden (by the OP :) ) territory: I agree that both bands lost the plot a bit at times, but even on those albums, there was always at least one or two tracks that were worthwhile on every album.

But perhaps Genesis took the cake for ugliness with “Illegal Alien.” I eschew music videos (always have) but I have seen enough of the video for that song to know that they made quite an error of judgement. But…um…it was the EIGHTIES, and almost everyone made errors in judgment.

(Oh, one more thing: King Crimson, Gentle Giant, and Happy the Man (paging @BassHappy) are the three bands that are so stunningly different, so crazily wonderful, that they simply must be proof that Uber-intelligent aliens came to earth and implanted an intelligence and a level of artistic prowess and uniqueness in them so that all three bands could be so different from any other band, before or since.

And King Crimson is STILL doing it!!!)
 
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I really like Yes but haven’t really gotten into genesis. What would be some good starting points? I like 70’s prog, I feel like the whole pop Phil Collins thing made me avoid them, even if he was just their drummer then
 
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