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Anybody walk away from their mortgage?

chris4001asat

Reverend Guitars Production Manager
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Dec 16, 2002
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Here's the background. I'm 42, and I have a wife, a 9 year old, and a 7 year old, so it's not just about me. I've been at my job for 15 years. I can't say I love it, since it doesn't involve playing bass, but I definitely like it.. a lot. I'm making more than I ever thought I'd ever make, not to mention 6.5 weeks of vacation, matching 401k, great health insurance. A few years back, in the middle of the housing slump, we bought a house. Things were going good. Just got word a month ago, my job is moving. They are buiding a new facility in Chicago. They offered me a job there. I know I'm at least 10K underwater in my house with the continued decline. All I keep hearing is the bad job situation here in Toledo.
If I stay, I will take at least an $8 an hour pay cut wherever I go. So there's a good chance I won't be able to make my payment here anyway.
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From the information you have provided, sounds like you should take the job and move. ..... Easier said than done.

As for walking away from your mortgage, Ohio is a recourse state.
Recourse basically means that the lender can come after you (has recourse against you) if your house is sold at auction or through a short sale for less than the amount owed. Plus it will affect your credit rating big time.

$10k is a lot of money, but in the bigger picture of underwater mortgages it is not a large number. Do you have someone in the local real estate business that you trust ? Their insight would be valuable.
 
As much as I would love to tell you to tell the banks to take a hike I think walking away from a mortgage is probably not a good idea. Not that I've ever had a mortgage but,....

Maybe you could rent the house out? All sorts of pros and cons with this,...but just a thought.
 
I think he doesn't want to take a bath by selling the house in the declining market. 10k loss on investment kinda sucks. That's why I suggested renting the house out to cover mortgage and property tax until the market improves.
 
I talked to management about relocating costs. They said they could give me moving expenses. They also said that with the housing market the way it has been, no company is offering any kind of housing options for employees. I've thought about renting it out, but the rental payment wouldn't cover the mortgage payment. There are 2 houses on my block that have been for sale for 2 years....Man, I'd do anything for a good nights sleep...
 
We have walked away from our mortgage back in Indiana, and are currently waiting to see how it all turns out. The deal was that we (or rather, I - my wife isn't on the deed or the mortgage) bought the house back in 1999, starting grad school. Housing prices seemed cheap and the school I went to offered a pretty generous stipend, so it seemed like a good idea; we would just sell it when we moved and recoup what we'd spent on it. Others had done it before us so we were assured that it would work out.

2007, done with school and a postdoc, moved to NH and put the Indiana house up on the market. No one even looked at it; this was right as the housing market was in mid-collapse. We kept it on the market a long time, spending on the mortgage all the time. Finally in 2009 we got a renter in. The renter was from section 8, meaning the government paid the rent. That sounded like a good deal, because it meant the rent was guaranteed to arrive on time.

Late in 2010 the renter starts saying they're going to move, then keeps putting it off. The house was supposed to be inspected, but the inspection kept being postponed until they left. Finally there's an inspection in December 2010 - and we find out that the nice little house we raised our kids in from 1999-2007 has become a hell hole. Nothing has ever even been cleaned, there are roaches swarming everywhere, the kitchen cabinets are torn apart, etc. etc. Thousands of dollars in work are needed to get it to pass inspection. The renter still lingers on until February of 2011, then leaves, and section 8 refuses to pay her last month's rent on the grounds that the house had failed inspection - this even though THEIR OWN LETTERS had given us a longer deadline to get the house to pass.

We had already been losing $50 a month on the difference between the mortgage and the rent, and now there is thousands of dollars in repairs to do - just so that it can pass inspection to get another renter in to repeat the process. We had a realtor look at the house in hopes that it might sell somehow, but she says she would never be able to get more than half what we owe for it.

So finally, we've decided to walk away from it. The place turned into a money pit with no realistic chance of recovering our investment in it, so it's time to cut our losses. We tried to go for a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure, meaning you just hand it over to the mortgage company, but the mortgage was an FHA and FHA rules say you can't do deed-in-lieu if you rent the property out for more than 18 months. So we're stuck going through foreclosure, and waiting to see if the company pursues the recourse route after they auction it off.

If your house is in an area where you can get a good renter and where it's likely the housing market will bounce back within a couple of years, I would avoid foreclosure. Better to lose a little money each month until you can sell and keep your credit intact. But in our situation, it finally sank in that this wasn't going to happen.
 
We have walked away from our mortgage back in Indiana, and are currently waiting to see how it all turns out. The deal was that we (or rather, I - my wife isn't on the deed or the mortgage) bought the house back in 1999, starting grad school. Housing prices seemed cheap and the school I went to offered a pretty generous stipend, so it seemed like a good idea; we would just sell it when we moved and recoup what we'd spent on it. Others had done it before us so we were assured that it would work out.

2007, done with school and a postdoc, moved to NH and put the Indiana house up on the market. No one even looked at it; this was right as the housing market was in mid-collapse. We kept it on the market a long time, spending on the mortgage all the time. Finally in 2009 we got a renter in. The renter was from section 8, meaning the government paid the rent. That sounded like a good deal, because it meant the rent was guaranteed to arrive on time.

Late in 2010 the renter starts saying they're going to move, then keeps putting it off. The house was supposed to be inspected, but the inspection kept being postponed until they left. Finally there's an inspection in December 2010 - and we find out that the nice little house we raised our kids in from 1999-2007 has become a hell hole. Nothing has ever even been cleaned, there are roaches swarming everywhere, the kitchen cabinets are torn apart, etc. etc. Thousands of dollars in work are needed to get it to pass inspection. The renter still lingers on until February of 2011, then leaves, and section 8 refuses to pay her last month's rent on the grounds that the house had failed inspection - this even though THEIR OWN LETTERS had given us a longer deadline to get the house to pass.

We had already been losing $50 a month on the difference between the mortgage and the rent, and now there is thousands of dollars in repairs to do - just so that it can pass inspection to get another renter in to repeat the process. We had a realtor look at the house in hopes that it might sell somehow, but she says she would never be able to get more than half what we owe for it.

So finally, we've decided to walk away from it. The place turned into a money pit with no realistic chance of recovering our investment in it, so it's time to cut our losses. We tried to go for a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure, meaning you just hand it over to the mortgage company, but the mortgage was an FHA and FHA rules say you can't do deed-in-lieu if you rent the property out for more than 18 months. So we're stuck going through foreclosure, and waiting to see if the company pursues the recourse route after they auction it off.

If your house is in an area where you can get a good renter and where it's likely the housing market will bounce back within a couple of years, I would avoid foreclosure. Better to lose a little money each month until you can sell and keep your credit intact. But in our situation, it finally sank in that this wasn't going to happen.

I might be wrong but I believe there's only a specific time frame in which they can act, otherwise they forfeit their ability to pursue you. Might be worth looking into for some peace of mind.
 
did you agree to pay your mortgage? if so, if you walk away from it . . . you are not someone i would want to associate with.

Every store or shop you've used over the years has broken contracts when the financial costs of staying in a contract are more than the penalty for breaking a contract. Our employers do it, our banks do it, our govt, etc. Why be so harsh on one person when we accept it daily in the business world? The company I work at does it on almost a daily basis with trucking companies. They hire small firms that can't fight back.
 
I heard of a recently enacted Federal program that was designed specifically for people in your situation. You're supposed to sign up for it and then you will have some kind of process to follow that allows you to work with your bank to lower your monthly payment by reducing the interest and perhaps even reducing the actual principal. It also should grant you a certain amount of amnesty for missed payments among other things.

Don't know what the program is called or if it's worth pursuing, but I'm just repeating what I heard on the news a couple of weeks ago.
 
This American dream is turning into a nightmare for so many people. It makes me sick to think that people end up in situations like this through no fault of their own.

I know some older people that made a killing in real estate because they thought that they were so smart. It was luck.

I know some younger people that have lost everything because they did exactly what these older people did. It was bad luck.

Man, I feel for you - and I would be proud to associate with a hard working father trying to do his best for his family.

I pray you get some good sleep. You sound like a good man in a tough situation.