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Audition Red Flags

So I had an audition, accepted the offer to join the band, and quit 2 months later.
I should have know better. Red Flags:
  • Oldies band but the BL / Keyboard player needed sheet music (I think he's been playing these same songs since the 60's & 70's).
  • Band didn't know the 10 songs they asked me to audition with as well as I did.
  • BL and Singer were in a band I auditioned for pre-Covid, and I turned them down (In my defense, guitar and drummer were much better in this carnation)
I guess I bought in because the singer and their harmonies were excellent and I liked most of the songs on their list. Most of them not your average over-played hits.

I quit because, as time went on I realized the BL was a dictator and not such a good player. Last straw being his refusal during rehearsal to skip a song he hadn't bothered to learn, even though he official had 2 weeks. Unofficially he had a month since it was on the projected list of songs we all had to learn. So I learned about 40 songs in 7 weeks and he couldn't bother learn 3 songs in a month. Sorry for the rant.

Please offer your red flags to help me and others avoid wasting time in bad situations.

Thanks
This sounded so familiar. Especially #2.
The drummer I auditioned with needed a ride home. He just got a DUI and couldn't drive.
The guitarist was 1 1/2 hours late.
They had a full PA set in the basement complete with floor monitors. Like they never left the basement to perform out.
Guitarist started showing me pictures of his girlfriends…yes plural…they looked like hookers.
Oh boy.
 
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This sounded so familiar. Especially #2.
The drummer I auditioned with need a ride home. He just got a DUI and couldn't drive.
The guitarist was 1 1/2 hours late.
They had a full PA set in the basement complete with floor monitors. Like they never left the basement to perform out.
Guitarist started showing me pictures of his girlfriends…yes plural…they looked like hookers.
Oh boy.

Another red flag: Complete lack of sense of humor; IME those whose failure to see irony in their actions/inactions generally possess impressive lack of self awareness that's a no-win for working with others productively.
 
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I mean they are or were stellar players with a lot of talent, but they arent at that level anymore and you might wonder why.

I can think of two guys straight off the bat ..both drummers..that dont get called anymore.
 
I mean they are or were stellar players with a lot of talent, but they arent at that level anymore and you might wonder why.

I can think of two guys straight off the bat ..both drummers..that dont get called anymore.

Yep, though I probably wouldn't wonder why if I knew them.

There are lots of reasons for not getting calls; Difficult personalities, being contentious, trying to run the show on sideman gigs, etc...

But not being reliable, unable to show up on time, etc., usually points to an alcohol or other drug problem, either full-fledged or in-the-making.

Brilliant drummer I used to play with stopped getting calls for that reason. He died within three days of catching first-wave covid due to his underlying health condition of being addicted to crack. Another one I worked with who'd traveled the world with top level guys we'd all recognize stopped being reliable and almost went the same way before miraculously getting into recovery. Another is currently living on the streets if he's still alive.

It's a deadly disease; I almost went the same route, but have been clean/sober, through the help of a higher power and working a program, since Dec 30, 2019. Before that, I was flakey and unreliable. It was not pretty.

These days I woodshed and learn material, show up an hour early to gigs and concentrate on doing my job as defined by the BL. I help with the setup and teardown, wash, rinse and repeat the next night. In the past 130 gigs, I've only had to sub out one - flat out on my back with type B influenza.

For guys like you describe, there's usually no remedy that doesn't start within themselves. Consequences almost always have to come first for this to happen. Even if they flake out and don't have a drug/alcohol problem, enabling bad behavior usually only supports and encourages it.
 
I booked a regarded drummer. When I turned up for the gig, another drummer I knew was unpacking his kit. I asked what he was doing here..thinking it was a double booking. He told me he was on the gig and that the drummer i booked had off loaded the gig to him. No one thought to mention it.
Not happy and it got a bit messy.
That ruined two relationships...i never trusted 1st drummer again and 2nd drummer thought that I didnt rate him, whereas my sole gripe was I was totally in the dark about this changeabout until I got to the gig.
2nd drummer still holds that against me to this day... ??? but he isn't the flake.

The 2nd drummer in my previous post has deeper issues ..not related to above story...which is such a shame as he is most naturally gifted musician I've probably come across.
 
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I booked a regarded drummer. When I turned up for the gig, another drummer I knew was unpacking his kit. I asked what he was doing here..thinking it was a double booking. He told me he was on the gig and that the drummer i booked had off loaded the gig to him. No one thought to mention it.
Not happy and it got a bit messy.
That ruined two relationships...i never trusted 1st drummer again and 2nd drummer thought that I didnt rate him, whereas my sole gripe was I was totally in the dark about this changeabout until I got to the gig.
2nd drummer still holds that against me to this day... ??? but he isn't the flake.

The 2nd drummer in my previous post has deeper issues ..not related to above story...which is such a shame as he is most naturally gifted musician I've probably come across.

Sounds like it if he's upset because you expressed frustration at not being kept in the loop.

We as creatives really need to work at not taking s*** personally.

I subbed on a similar deal - guy (a raging alcoholic - back to my original comments) called me day-of about subbing for him with his regular gig that night so he could take one that paid more. I was off that night so I took the gig, but had the foresight to call the BL and clue him in.

BL was NOT HAPPY, but I understood his frustration wasn't really aimed at me. I played the gig, but since the guy who contacted me was paying my sub rate, more than his cut for the lower priced gig but less than his pay for the higher, I had to chase him down for 5 days to get paid. Never again. Next time is Venmo/Zelle/Paypal up front, pal.
 
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I booked a regarded drummer. When I turned up for the gig, another drummer I knew was unpacking his kit. I asked what he was doing here..thinking it was a double booking. He told me he was on the gig and that the drummer i booked had off loaded the gig to him. No one thought to mention it.
Not happy and it got a bit messy.
That ruined two relationships...i never trusted 1st drummer again and 2nd drummer thought that I didnt rate him, whereas my sole gripe was I was totally in the dark about this changeabout until I got to the gig.
2nd drummer still holds that against me to this day... ??? but he isn't the flake.

The 2nd drummer in my previous post has deeper issues ..not related to above story...which is such a shame as he is most naturally gifted musician I've probably come across.
You can't control what people think of you.
 
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