backing tracks... too much , too little, just right...

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by grendle, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. grendle

    grendle

    Mar 4, 2011
    Central FL
    In the interest of giving the best live performance possible , backing tracks imo. Are a good thing. I'm not looking to play over an entire recorded song per say, but looking to fatten up chorus's, harmony vocals, intro's possibly, and maybe. Fatten up a heavy part or two. I know almost all bigger touring bands use them and lots of others also. What do you guys use? And who controls what?
     
  2. AndyLES

    AndyLES

    Aug 25, 2008
    New York
    Ipod - Click on the right (8 count intro), mono mix on the left, run by the drummer. Make each song it's own "album" to avoid running into the next tune by accident.
     
  3. 5StringFool

    5StringFool

    Jun 10, 2011
    Greenup, KY
    Sometimes we use a prerecorded track, other times we use Ableton live and the singer controls the loops with a foot controller. This way we can stretch a song an improvise some and still have our backing tracks.
     
  4. kraigo

    kraigo

    Jun 21, 2007
    Minneapolis, MN
    Use some MIDI device to launch sequences on a laptop running Ableton Live. A used cheap keyboard like a little Yamaha PSR would work, or a Korg PadKontrol or something similar.

    KO
     
  5. grendle

    grendle

    Mar 4, 2011
    Central FL
    Were new to backing tracks, but this is kind of what we were looking to do. I just don't want to have the backing tracks keep rolling if we screw something up somehow lol. That's my main concern. How much do you put on the loop? Is it set up so say when you hit the trigger it starts like the chorus loop for song x? Sorry still new and trying to get an idea of how were gonna make this work lol
     
  6. grendle

    grendle

    Mar 4, 2011
    Central FL
    Cool. I'm thinking more of a foot controlled kind of thing. Can you recomend someone who makes one? Or should I build my own? Gotta check out ableton.
     
  7. grendle

    grendle

    Mar 4, 2011
    Central FL
    Any recommendations on getting ableton suite, live, or live intro? We have a digital 16 track, and a full dedicated computer recording set up with cubase at the present.
     
  8. smeet

    smeet Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 27, 2006
    Woodland Hills, CA
    Very interested in this... Does ableton let you tap in the tempo *while* it's playing? That would be great for Correction in live performance...
     
  9. grendle

    grendle

    Mar 4, 2011
    Central FL
    Ohh... Didn't think about that. Good point. Throws a whole wrench in the mix. Yeah I was against them for a long time till I realized it doesn't have to be karaoke lol.
     
  10. 5StringFool

    5StringFool

    Jun 10, 2011
    Greenup, KY
  11. smeet

    smeet Gold Supporting Member

    Nov 27, 2006
    Woodland Hills, CA
    You can change tempo on the fly from the computer UI, right?
    And Ableton can probably sync to external MIDI clock...
    I hope it can do it (sync to tap tempo), that might make the difference for me.

    EDIT:
    Found it! According to this guy, you can tap in the current tempo at any time:
    http://www.allindiebands.com/performing-with-ableton-live.html
     
  12. grendle

    grendle

    Mar 4, 2011
    Central FL
    How much of the song do you guys have backing tracks for?
     
  13. 5StringFool

    5StringFool

    Jun 10, 2011
    Greenup, KY
    For the songs were using ableton on we usually have a loop for each section of the song (intro, verse, chorus, etc.).
     
  14. seanm

    seanm I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize! Supporting Member

    Feb 19, 2004
    Ottawa, Canada
    For those who use backing tracks, do you have them for every song? I would think that you would have to or the songs without them would sound thin. But I am just guessing, I have never used backing tracks.
     
  15. 5StringFool

    5StringFool

    Jun 10, 2011
    Greenup, KY
    We don't. Some songs we can work arrangements that sound fine without them, others not so much.
     
  16. seanm

    seanm I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize! Supporting Member

    Feb 19, 2004
    Ottawa, Canada
    Ok, so it is not an all or nothing type deal.
     
  17. 5StringFool

    5StringFool

    Jun 10, 2011
    Greenup, KY
    No not at all. Some of our backing tracks are as simple as some auxiliary percussion instruments or synth pads in particular parts of the songs. We don't have any that have extra backing vox, or guitar parts on them. Most of them are more subtle additions that work to add dynamic layers to the song when needed.

    Here's one that we use sometimes. Click the sample and take a listen.

    Worship Clicktracks and Loop Library | mymusicwriter.com
     
  18. seanm

    seanm I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize! Supporting Member

    Feb 19, 2004
    Ottawa, Canada
    Nice! I didn't even know tracks like that existed. I thought you had to make them yourself.