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Bass boost pedal?

You have a lot going on there. I would go back to square one, plug your bass directly into your amp and set everything flat. Then start experimenting with pickup balance, next up work with your onboard preamp. Less is more.

I agree with this thought. Not trying to be mean, so do not take this the wrong way. However, you mention not being sure how compression works. I would never add anything to your signal chain that you do not understand how to use. Pedals for the sake of pedals can wreck your sound. In this case, I am pretty confident that you have an over-compression problem.
 
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I'd check out the MXR Micro Amp or the xotic EP booster. Both are clean boosts that can help with that and both sound very good. The EP booster has a few more options to tweak your sound.

+1 on the Xotic EP booster. It's worked out very well for me. I used when I was switching between two basses on stage that had different output levels. It worked great for that. Nice, solid construction and small foot print too.
 
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I really appreciate all the advice from everyone. Like I said, I'm not great at figuring out how to set all the levels properly to achieve the proper tone I want. My slap technique could improve but I feel like I'm fairly decent at it. I have no idea where to set the levels at and I had other pedals previously but a cat pissed on my pedal board and they started to not work as well so I purchased the new compressor, tuner and envelope filter for Christmas and used them for the first time on NYE. I set the levels to how they sounded decent in my apartment and then when we closed the show with Get Down Tonight and Play that Funky Music where I do some slapping, I couldn't hear myself at all.
I'm sorry but the cat piss thing just made me laugh. Ducking daemons!
 
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Sounds like overcompression. Lower your ratio to like 3, and try to set the threshold so the compressor only kicks in when you really pop it. If your ratio is too high and the threshold is too low, it will squish your notes into pancakes in the mix. The MG/Lesh tone is hard to chase on a budget with those Modulus TBXs and Meyers cabs, not to mention massive PA systems. A good place to start is Smith Compressors/GHS pressurewounds and an amp with big clean headroom through a neutrally voiced cab.
 
I noticed the same problem you are having when slapping years ago. I tried a Spark Mini Booster and it blew my mind when I tried it with my trio (rock, funk stuff). I also used to have a TC Spectra comp on with the one knob all the way down so that by signal wasn't being squashed but the eq leveling was happening because that persevered my dynamics while getting a equal eq volume level (highs, mids, lows). I ended up taking that pedal off because I left it on all the time and I didn't want my signal to have digital latency. After that, I changed boost pedals to all sorts of different ones and started to to have the volume issues again. I'm a pretty good slapper so my technique is solid but it is a volume/eq thing. I finally got tired of trying out different boosts because they all had some kind of eqing I wanted to fix...so I'm using an old Boss Bass EQ (the 80's brown ones). I basically create a small scooping curve and drop the highest frequency a little (presence world). Pump the volume up and it is gold! Get an eq pedal as you won't be limited to the eq curves of any boost you may buy...unless it's the Spark Mini. I still love that pedal.
 
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@Biglb79 , one particular problem with compression is it can be used in so many different ways. It can be used to gently even out your tone, add punch, add sustain, limit, as an effect, etc. With some of these uses you don't really hear it, but you can feel it subtlety messaging your signal as you play. When I play with compression, I typically only use enough to feel and not really hear it.

Many if not most bass rigs develop enough natural compression when they are turned up, that I don't feel the need to use a compression pedal. However, a couple of my amps have built in compressors that sound really nice. Also I have one amp that I feel sounds significantly better with the compressor engaged, my Mesa M9. The compressor seems to really tighten up the lows, which can be very hard to control with this amp.

I am not confident that compression is 100% of your problem though. It could be the bass. To find out, I suggest turning off both compressors and switching back and fourth between finger style and slap. If the volume is not relatively balanced between the two styles then it's most likely the bass, the setup, or possibly your technique, which is somewhat dependent on setup. If the sound is relatively balance between both styles, you should be able to manage by simply adjusting your technique.

Since you have two compressors I would consider doing the following: Setup the amp for very light compression when you are playing finger-style. Use the MXR only for slap and dial the level and compression in for the specific slap tone your are after.

Some people like a really compressed slap tone. In other words, the are using enough compression for it to create and audible effect. IMHO :vomit:, but if that is the tone you are going for, you definitely need some makeup gain to boost your level up because the heavy compression will knock your level down and/or limit your headroom so much that you will need a boost.

Even though your compressors probably do not allow you to adjust all of the compression parameters, it would be beneficial for you to Google and read some articles on compression. Then you would have a better understand of what is going on. This understanding would help you see why your compressors may be working really well for you, or really poorly. Parameters to understand: Attack, Release, Ratio, Threshold, Knee, Gain, Makeup Gain. This looks like a decent article to start you off: How To Use a Compressor: The Easy To Follow Guide (10 Top Tips)

Another thing to understand is how the threshold is set on your compressors. Studio compressors may have discrete controls for all of the parameters I mentioned above. This means you can set the Gain and Threshold separately. Some have a fixed input Gain but a variable Threshold. Most compressor pedals have a fixed threshold with a variable input Gain. Essentially you adjust the Gain to determine the level of the signal in relation to the Theshold, instead of adjusting the Threshold in relation to the signal.

Although rare, some compressor pedals give you control over most if not all of the Parameters. For example, here is an image of the original Empress compressor.
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It has separate controls for Gain (Input), Attack, Release, Ratio, and Makeup Gain (Output). There are no user controls for Knee. There is also one extra parameter (Mix) that allows you to combine the dry (uncompressed signal) with the wet (compressed) signal. This feature allows what is commonly called "parallel compression."

This version of the Empress is obsolete and a new bass specific version is available with an HPF Bass Compressor

While having access to all of the Parameters is cool if you know how to use them, it can be very confusing if you don't. Some people love to tinker and some don't. If you don't like to tinker, you need to find gear that is setup the why you like. In other words somebody has already adjusted the parameters to your needs, so there is no need for a bunch of confusing controls.
 
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I agree with this thought. Not trying to be mean, so do not take this the wrong way. However, you mention not being sure how compression works. I would never add anything to your signal chain that you do not understand how to use. Pedals for the sake of pedals can wreck your sound. In this case, I am pretty confident that you have an over-compression problem.

it's all good and doesn't sound mean. Like I said, I'm just seeking advice. I played in a college band and the only pedal I used was my Q-tron we had a sound guy at every bar we played at so I never really did anything. I took a long hiatus and joined another band in 2017 and we practiced at the guitar player's house. he had everything setup so I just took my bass each week. He told me I should invest in a compression pedal so I ended up doing that but never really figured it out. Those dudes didn't want to play shows, so I ended up joining another band at the end of 2019. I had to start taking my amp to those practices and my old Ampeg amp wasn't really cutting it so I bought myself a Christmas present last year with the Eden World Tour Pro 600. It sounds really, I just haven't fully figured out the proper settings for everything I have.
 
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Compressor and EQ are the key "effects" for good slap tone, IME.

More important than those: proper bass. Not all basses sound good with slap.

Even more important than that: good slapping technique.
@Biglb79 , you're going to get a lot of advice on the use (or non-use) of compression, but the above advice is spot on. Assuming your bass is itself a decent slapper, and your technique is mostly even and dialed in, a compressor is your friend when it comes to slap when used correctly. A compressor can also kill your slap tone if used incorrectly. (IMO, a compressor is like cooking with spices; once you can actually taste the spice, you've gone too far.)

But even all that aside, if you like your slap tone, but just want to boost it, I heartily recommend an Effectrode Fire Bottle Tube Boost. I've used one for bass and it sounds great! Kick this on when you slap or solo, and you will be heard. :thumbsup:
 
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The MG/Lesh tone is hard to chase on a budget with those Modulus TBXs and Meyers cabs

And there is the actual answer to the problem...a compressor pedal or bass booster will help but a Meyer Array and a modulus bass is the answer..there is a rig rundown of Gordon's rig on youtube..its a great watch, it actually taught me the uselessness of chasing Phil's tone on a budget...lol..I been chasing Phils mid-late 80s tone since I saw the GD for the first time in the 80s..lol I've come to the conclusion that its not gonna happen cause I don't play with a pick and I'm not Phil and I don't have that kind of money...oddly tho I think I came closest with an Ibanez SG 400E and a fender rumble 100 minus of course the big bombs of the B string..I do love that tone tho..
 
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@Biglb79 , you're going to get a lot of advice on the use (or non-use) of compression, but the above advice is spot on. Assuming your bass is itself a decent slapper, and your technique is mostly even and dialed in, a compressor is your friend when it comes to slap when used correctly. A compressor can also kill your slap tone if used incorrectly. (IMO, a compressor is like cooking with spices; once you can actually taste the spice, you've gone too far.)

But even all that aside, if you like your slap tone, but just want to boost it, I heartily recommend an Effectrode Fire Bottle Tube Boost. I've used one for bass and it sounds great! Kick this on when you slap or solo, and you will be heard. :thumbsup:

I do think my bass could definitely be a better slapper, but I like the tone when I'm on my own and it does have active pickups. I do plan to eventually purchase a Modulus Q5 bass, but I don't know when that's going to happen. That fire bottle tube boost is a lot more expensive than the one I did purchase. The MXR Micro Amp was $80, but I may look into your recommendation further down the road. This may be a stupid question, but do to the fact I have a tube amp do you think a tube boost is best to purchase?
 
This may be a stupid question, but do to the fact I have a tube amp do you think a tube boost is best to purchase?
No such thing as a stupid question on Talkbass. (Well, there actually is such a thing, but the bar is really really high. ;))

Effectrode is a big believer in tubes, and they claim that the Fire Bottle boost excels at overdriving a tube amp, which the demos seem to confirm. But tubes are not my preference when it comes to amps. I used the FB with a GK MB800 and it sounded great. Really opened up the sound, made it very present. When I really cranked it up though, it wasn't as pretty overdriving a class D amp as it would be overdriving a tube amp.

My feeling is that, generally, a tube amp can benefit from a tube boost, but I don't think it's a requirement. If a particular boost pedal has a characteristic you like, or does what you want, whether it's tube or not is a secondary consideration.
 
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I do think my bass could definitely be a better slapper, but I like the tone when I'm on my own and it does have active pickups. I do plan to eventually purchase a Modulus Q5 bass, but I don't know when that's going to happen. That fire bottle tube boost is a lot more expensive than the one I did purchase. The MXR Micro Amp was $80, but I may look into your recommendation further down the road. This may be a stupid question, but do to the fact I have a tube amp do you think a tube boost is best to purchase?

I think you already have everything you need. Even the Micro Amp is gratuitous to some extent because you could use your MXR compressor to do pretty much the same thing you will do with the Micro Amp.

A tube boost is usually intended to create OD. AFAIK the pedal itself is generally designed to distort, so it is not a clean boost. Also part of the idea of using a boost pedal on a tube amp is to drive the front end of the amp into distortion.

Most tube amps use tubes with two triodes in each tube. The input jack is connected to a resistor network and the resistor network is connected to the first triode of the first tube. The first tube provides a lot of gain to boost the signal up.

Somewhere down the line there will be a Gain control. It may be between the 1st and second triodes or later in the amp. If you crank up the gain high enough it will push the later stages into over drive, but the stages preceding the gain control remain clean.

The idea of a clean boost or OD pedal is to hit the tubes before the Gain control hard enough so that they produce OD as well. IMHO it sounds better to push a bunch of amplification stages just barely over the edge into OD, than to hit one stage really hard. You get distortion that is more complex and musical, and also you it tends to be less fizzy.

The difference between a clean boost and OD of course is a OD pedal produces fairly light distortion, but both were originally intended to hit the front end of a tube amp really hard. AFAIK, a tube boost pedal is most likely to be an OD pedal.

Beyond that, tube VS solid state tends to be fairly tribal. I think of slap as more of a solid state thing. A lot of the hybrid amps that were historically known for good slap sounds, like SWR, ran the preamp tube in a way that it did not sound very tubey. You might call this a marketing tube or a vanity tube...and there are a lot of these in various amps and other devices.
 
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