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basses for newbies (SX batch build thread)

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This is a wonderful thread and you are doing wonderful work. Is there any way that a mere mortal would be able to get their hands on one of those custom "Chungerfied" P-bass pickups?

. . . and there's the question. . . the one I've asked Carey in a sortof passing manner. I am not a Nordstrand retailer so I don't have permission to sell pickups loose at this time nor do my pickups come in retail packaging. Unless he gives the thumbs up, the only way to get a "Chungerfied" p-bass pickup right now is in a "Chungerfied" p-bass. #7 is ready to roll :D. I can swap the stock NP4 that's in there right now for one with special sauce without issue.

As much as I've been building lately and testing new pickup configurations, I'm a really new operation. The folks over at Nordstrand are probably pretty happy that I'm ecstatic about the sonic results so far, but tiny operations like mine come and go all the time and there are plenty of shady characters in the music business. It might take some time and history to establish the kind of trust they require from a retailer to properly handle customer support.

I'll shoot them an email though and see if they'll let me sell one. I don't feel 100% comfortable that you have all of the info you need to make a solid, informed decision without posting a sound clip. . . so I'd better get on that.
 
It's not a mystery. . . all data has been revealed in this thread as to what the pickup is. Mike and Stew are both familiar with my pickup's spec. If you ask for a "chunger" p-bass pickup they should be able to build one. . . or, give me the OK to sell one loose that I have on hand.
 
Chunger you're like McGyver for the bass! Nice save on that one. I don't think the crack is that visible after the repair unless someone were to know about it and was searching for the hairline specifically.

What do you do when you need to open a can but can't find your can-opener? You'd probably clamp it on the table and use the dremel on it.

Much inspired.
Chunger and Bassgod, the mcgyvers of bass.

I always think it's cool when someone can take a crappy old bass and make it awesome.
 
thanks for the info, and yes, some sound samples would be nice. i'm not opposed to ordering direct through nordstrand, but i wasn't sure if i would "have access" to the same magic. of course i'm also not opposed to having to purchase a real chungerfied bass. i am anxiously awaiting the unveiling of the possible new import line.
thanks again.
 
OK. . . lots to report tonight. Grab your favorite beverage :bassist:

Where should I start? I will be going into Studio 1225 again on Monday evening. I guess that would be tonight. On the agenda for this session:

1. samples of bass #4 with custom Nordstrand p-bass pickup.
2. samples of bass #9 with Nordstrand "prototype A" jazz pickups
3. samples of bass #9 with Nordstrand "prototype B" jazz pickups
4. samples of test sample from Chinese factory.

because I got this in the mail yesterday:

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An update on bass #3. . . Jasaman hit the limits of the DiMarzio Model J's. . . while they offered an initial "packaged" tone that works, they do not have the 3 dimensionality, nuance, harmonics, and depth that he looks for in a go-to instrument to feel inspired every time hi picks it up. . . so, in this batch of pickups were 2 Nordstrand NJ4SE's wired with 4 leads so I can tap the 4 coils individually to do parallel/series switching on each pickup. Basically, I wanted a pickup I could swap into the nice harness I have in #3. Notice the nice shielded multi-conductor cable. Very nice. The shield on the NJ4SE's are linked to the alnico pole pieces which helps reduce noise.

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Poor #3 gets lobotomized more than any other bass I know.

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And, the Nordstrands are in. 8th time's the charm :rollno:

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I changed the tone pot back to a 250K pot because I really liked the way my tone control was working on the builds so far and the 500K one didn't respond the same as the 250K. I also changed the tone cap because it's cheap and I suspect I may have overheated the original one upon install. This was a Sprague 716 .047u cap.

I decided I could not wait any more for the Babicz FCH bridge to come in to finish out #9. I need a test bass with my standard jazz bass harness to test the 2 new prototype pickups and #9 is the only SX jazz I have on hand that is finished. So, I took out the brand new NJ4SE's that were in there and put in "prototype A" the one designed with the stock SX pickups in mind. This pickup utilizes longer magnets than stock and uses a thinner coil wire, and the coils are compressed to the top of the pickup housing to create a squat coil profile. They are wound to 10.1K and 10.5K according to my cheap meter. After analyzing the stock SX pickup, Mike informed that he could create something that will have some if it's characteristics, but this pickup will NOT sound like a standard jazz pickup. It will be it's own animal. I said cool. . . do it! The SX pickups do not sound like standard jazz pickups and we have been unsuccessful until now regaining that unique single coil vibe even with all the pickups we've tried.

I took both basses with me to my church gig this morning. . . I played the first set on #9 with prototype A onboard and the 2nd set with #3 with the push/pull push/pull push/pull NJ4SE's onboard.

Initial impressions. . . whoah. .. . prototype A. . . punchy as all heck in the bass and upper midrange articulation that cuts like a Ginsu but it remains completely open on the top end and the cut is very complex and harmonic. A really pleasant mic to listen to that sits really easily in the mix. I'm getting a bit of that wow factor back that the original SX's created. Unsolicited comments were coming in again from the peanut gallery about the bass tone. There is something about single coils that really sings. I just left my rig flat and let this one ride. The bass is really responsive to your finger attack. On the flip side, munch a note with your left hand, and this configuration will reveal it to everyone. Wanna hide? better roll that tone knob back a bit. I am not the best in terms of playing or ears, so I will have to solicit some more feedback about this one tomorrow at the session. Ok. . . the negative. . . SX effect may be back to haunt us. . . I dialed in a pretty "safe" margin by spacing the pickup a bit farther away from the E string (~9/64"). More testing will reveal if the dreaded SX effect is back. If it is, that means this coils structure is spiking a frequency somewhere that clips the pre pretty consistently.

Bass #3 with NJ4SE's and the push/pull push/pull push/pull. I joked a lot with Jasaman about his "junk bass" and how with the new wiring harness and the DiMarzio Model J's, he could obtain a million different and equally uninspiring tones :hiding: Ok, new pickups. . . the main difference I saw right off the bat is the parallel mode on these NJ4SE's are not thin sounding or an "interesting flavor" that you can mix in from time to time. Parallel/Parallel/Parallel mode is a very nice, usable tone. . . quieter, yes, but nice and round with a tilt towards the high end opened up quite a bit. Too many permutations to memorize. I played the set mostly tone full up, both pups full up in global parallel mode. I kicked it into global series a couple of times. We have test recordings here of #3 with the NJ4SE's in the primary modes. I think it sounds fantastic ,and I was really happy to actually get my fingers on it in this configuration as I didn't get to actually play it during studio testing last time. Fuller than the prototype A setup and smoother. Sustain on #9 was also better, but that could very well be a result of the Gotoh 201 bridge and the graphtech nut. The drummer liked prototype A better. It's going to be a heck of a shootout in the studio tomorrow. Standardizing on a pickup will not be easy. The versatility of the 4 wire NJ4SE is really nice.

Anyways, that's my mini-report on some of the new pickups. Audio samples will be forthcoming and I will do my best to post those faster this time. I will also have word tomorrow from Nordstrand about selling pickups loose to people who want them. Carey has been thinking about it since last I inquired. I had no doubt they didn't get back to me immediately because they simply hadn't figured it out yet and would get back to me when they sorted it out.

OK. . . the test sample from China. . . this bass was what they had in stock from a previous customer who went out of business. So, it is not built to my spec, but I asked for something with an Alder body and a maple bolt-on neck, and this is what they had on hand. I wanted to see the build quality.

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Weird as this bass is, there are some cool details going on that show some manufacturing flexibility. They're doing a 21 fret setup with a very non-standard neck pocket route and pulling it off quite well.

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The fit and finish is better by far than on SX. I am extremely pleased in this regard. There is a finish error (a run that was not completely level sanded) on the edge of the neck.

The nut looks to be a much more serviceable unit that stock on the SX, and I like the flat-ish radius and the bit 'ole slab of rosewood they put on there for a fretboard.

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The electronics cavity is shielded with shielding paint and this bass is wired in a vol/pan/tone configuration.

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Now for the negative. . . this bass weighs in at 10.18 lbs. That's higher than I like, but the body felt a bit strange to me. I went in with a dial caliper and measured the thickness and it was indeed thicker than I'm used to at 1.825". The SX body is ~1.63" thick so if I assume both instruments were the same shape (they are not), the same wood density on a "standard" body would be 9.09 lbs. which is a bit more in line but still not great. The dial caliper on a Fender MIM revealed 1.790" thickness. Alder and Maple from this company are imported to China from the Pacific Northwest.

Fretwork and neck straightness on this bass were once again wildly superior to SX. I was able to take this thing right out of the box and set it up to .080" with stock strings (pretty stiff hex core) and play without issue!!! Neck relief was properly adjusted and the bass came set up nicely to .090". . . very playable. All I did was lower the saddles a few turns and play. Try that with an SX. . . you'd have to get pretty darn lucky to have it work. This makes me very happy.

Plugged in the instrument sounded pretty darn good. The pickups work well, and I was pleasantly surprised given the pencil-thin neck and the weight of the body.

Overall, I'm pretty optimistic now about the prospect of working with this company. With the right specs and materials, we may be able to produce something really nice.
 
It looks pretty cool and elegant.
IMO, a nice mix of classic and modern style.
Good to know it has a decent fretwork, better build quality compared to SXs and it was very playable out of the box. (this is very important).
Also the PU combination is my favorite (P + J).
The only detail I don't like it is the body looks longer than normal. (wide angle lens distortion, maybe?).
 
I've been authorized by Carey at Nordstrand to make "Chungerfied" pickups available to the general public. Please inquire if you are interested in checking one out for yourself. :bassist::bassist::bassist:

Oh, I forgot to mention in my previous post that this batch of Nordstrands shipped with rounded p-bass pickup covers and all of the covers are now sporting a bead blasted sort of matte finish. They look and feel great! Previous iterations were glossy smooth plastic.
 
thanks for the info, and yes, some sound samples would be nice. i'm not opposed to ordering direct through nordstrand, but i wasn't sure if i would "have access" to the same magic. of course i'm also not opposed to having to purchase a real chungerfied bass. i am anxiously awaiting the unveiling of the possible new import line.
thanks again.

Hey xoloder. . .

I just noticed that you are local. . . why don't you just come by and play #4 to test out the pickup first hand? Sure is better to get a pickup under your fingers than just listening to audio clips. I'd also like the additional feedback. Shoot me a PM if interested.
 
Awesome work. I'm really looking forward to watching this turn into a great line of instruments.

Speaking of which, where does the line start for the first run chunger bass? I'm fully expecting my all-original chunger bass to put my grandchildren through college in 40 years or so.
 
Fasten our seat belts, ladies and gentlemen. . . contrary to the established pattern, I am posting clips immediately following a test session. I am personally beyond thrilled with the results we are getting. #9. . . . . crazy good with the prototype A pickup. So good as a matter of fact, that Jasaman didn't let me swap it out. He wanted to take it with him to a gig and recording session this week. We have the SX sound back!!! But better in every regard all up and down the frequency spectrum. Nobody else in their right minds winds a jazz pickup this way, so the sound is very signature. Hats off to Mike at Nordstrand, he hit another one out of the ballpark on this prototype. It's not often you stop smack in the middle of development and basically say, "We're done here. . . " but that's essentially what we are implying.

So, we did not get as much done as we wanted to, but what we did get done was extremely significant. Here are the most relevant clips:

Bass #4 What's Going On "chunger" custom Nordstrand p-bass pickup
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Bass #4 Fantastic Voyage "chunger" custom Nordstrand p-bass pickup
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Bass #4 Master Blaster "chunger" custom Nordstrand p-bass pickup
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Bass#9 What's Going On (prototype A custom Nordstrand jazz pickups) parallel both volumes and tone full up
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Bass #9 Fantastic Voyage (prototype A custom Nordstrand jazz pickups) series mode volume and tone full up
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Bass #9 Come on Come Over (prototype A custom Nordstrand jazz pickups) bridge pickup soloed tone full up
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Please discuss amongst yourselves. . . :D
 
great clips Chunger:

I really liked the contrast between then.

The first 3 with the "Chunger" nordy pickup have an immense growl, almost too much, sounds very raw and almost messy, IMHO brings the fret noise and buzz out of the background and makes it more audible, BUT I do like that tone, a little more of a rounded bottom and it'd fit well in a rock or even heavy rock setting. Not refined enough for a song like master blaster I think.

The Prototype A pickup is MUCH more refined, almost the opposite in tonality. "Chunger" pickup has buckets of mid growl while Proto A has a very smooth almost scooped mid presence. To me it sounded far more like a jazz bass that a precision... Assuming I'm right in thinking that these pickups are precision split coils right?
If so then Proto A has a smooth and balances tone with less growl more definition and perhaps a tad more bite. The slap track (track 2) definitely sounded more like a jazz bass than a precision to my ears.

If I were to choose between the two I'd probably pick the "Chunger" pickup as a Pbass needs to be able to sit in a dense mix and bash it's way through unlike a jazz which cuts through in my stream of rock, church and funk gigs at least. A blend of the two would be ideal IMHO, something which growls when wide open but with a bit of tone roll off you'd reveal this smooth balanced and sweet tone of Proto A.
 
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