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Basses from Japan- often different than models in the US?

My Japanese built BBNE2 is phenomenal, if Yamaha were to make more modern high end stuff they would be such a major player in todays scene. I mean look at the headless 6 string they made for Nathan East, why wont they sell us that!? :rollno: It seems like they're happy being the traditional guys and letting Ibanez follow the trends, all their Signature bass artists are legends, but they've been legends since the 80s and their signature offerings are nearly 20 years old at this point.

People happily pay $2900 for a China made Dingwall. Yamahas Top of the line, hand made JP2 model is $3000. Imagine a Japanese built headless multiscale bass from Yamaha, with electronics like you find on the BBNE2. I would go crazy for something like that, I'm sure alot of people would.
I definitely would love to see Yamaha make a push and offer something new. They definitely have the ability to make amazing instruments. The bbne and the headless stuff they made were really cool! But like many things sometimes it takes someone hip at a certain time to really get your brand some street cred. If let's say Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga was spotted in concert with a Yamaha bass that would spike sales of whatever they're playing. I'd love to see someone really famous in this generation rocking Yamaha. Or many other basses I love for that matter.
 
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I had a couple of friends who were hardcore bikers. They were old friends from service in Vietnam, grimy, salt of the earth type people. Lovely guys. One had a custom Harley chopper, and the other was the butt of a million jokes about his 'rice burner' [sic.] Japanese bike.
I asked him why he didn't ride an HD. "Because I like riding more than I like turning wrenches."
Seems the custom Harley chopper wasn't so maintenance free.

Aside: Please do not think I'd use any racial epithet, just telling the story.
Back in the ‘80s one of my BMW bike buddies had a batch of these t-shirts made:

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Among the Japanese guitar companies, it breaks into models for most markets and then their models that are essentially home market or Far East only that would be No Sale to the gaijin.

Plus few actual MIJ models are sold in the US as Japanese labor and materials are every bit as expensive as US or Western European costs. This is why the bulk of Yamaha, Ibanez, and ESP, to name a few primarily build in Indonesia, Viet Nam, or China for low cost production. The few MIJ they do sell here are inline with prices for German Warwick's and top line Cali Fender or Gibson.

And of course, their home market models are better than original copies of classic American designs (see ESP's Navigator line) that would surely be trouble if officially imported to the US ( they don't) or any number of models to Asian tastes that just look strange to Western eyes.

There's more than a few Japanese basses that I wish weren't as rare here as they are, like Bacchus, Atelier Z, and Moon to name a few. Can be had here, but still not common.
 
I like that, it reminds me of synths.. I love the SCI Pro-One monosynth but when I had one, keeping the proper tuning and scaling was a chore, imagine doing it for the Prophet 5. >:) The Japanese Yamaha DX7 took away that particular pain. I extended this principle further, I coded my own synth. I agonised a long time over the log scales and tweaks needed just to generate the lookup tables, but it's worth it because it got rid of flaws the Yamaha DX7 has, and it stays set fair forever. I'll always respect the DX7 though because all my work depended on it, its service manuals and expired patents. Without that Japanese engineering I might well have ended up nowhere.

I have a Pro One and never had problems with tuning. I calibrated it some time ago. It's analog so yeah it will drift.

I also have a Mini D.

If it weren't for Dave Smith, the inventor of Sequential Circuits, the 5 and 10 the DX (DX=DS) would not have happened. Dave also pioneered MIDI.

Dave just passed a few months ago May 2022.

To OP's question:
I also have a Fender MIJ P Bass. Records well. It was the model made for Japan market not export as per Fender's deal with Fender Japan because Japan after CBS abandoned Fender was making Fenders as good if not BETTER than Fullerton back in the '80's. Mine is a 1995.

The MIJ P bass compared to the MIA P bass I had and sold, is stable and with proper response across all 4 strings.

To me what an instrument sounds like on a recording is the acid test. Trying out an instrument at the store? Pull out your phone and record them and see which one wins.

I would rather be able to try out a guitar hands-on than assume just because it's the model one wants that it's going to be the one one wants.

No matter the brand/model they are all different unit to unit.

Lots of guitars out there.
 
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I have a Pro One and never had problems with tuning. I calibrated it some time ago. It's analog so yeah it will drift.

I also have a Mini D.

If it weren't for Dave Smith, the inventor of Sequential Circuits, the 5 and 10 the DX (DX=DS) would not have happened. Dave also pioneered MIDI.

Dave just passed a few months ago May 2022.

Strange, I saw the last sentence first (scrolling) and my first thought was 'Greenfield'... Anyway, it did stay put well enough once I'd adjusted it. I don't know how long it had been since the previous time (long before I bought it). I think having got it settled in, it might have stayed set for long time, unfortunately I never found out how long, I was going to play it in Bristol's Demolition Ballroom in 1985 and a dodgy generator killed it. I was so angry that when I heard some gang had turned up and were hurting people coming to the gig, I went out there with an iron bar and banged it down hard enough to crunch the concrete, and that little gesture sent the whole gang on its way. That felt good but it didn't take away the pain of losing that synth! That really hurt.

Re MIDI, I love MIDI. There have been so many obituaries written for it, and it never dies. In my software I use a specialised interpolator and a high core resolution just so standard MIDI can get good results when a lot of modulation is going on. If the instruments were designed better in general, people would have few if any complaints about MIDI.
 
I just posted this in another similar thread and will probably do a NBD on it tomorrow. Just received a 2017 Fender Made in Japan Traditional Jazz Bass in a limited edition Flamingo Pink.(it is basically brand new but probably was listed as used to export) Love the bass and the color is amazing. Fit and finish is better than 95% of the Fender American basses I have tried. I actually think I enjoy playing it more than my Fender Custom Shop jazz bass.

I got it for less shipped than a new Fender American Professional and wanted a bass to possibly do some mods. Will probably switch the vvt for concentric knobs (VTVT) and put some Nordstrand Blades to enhance the pickups.

Couldn't be happier and wish more of the Japan basses made their way here. It is sometimes upsetting seeing the innovation and colors some of these Japanes basses have.

I'd also love to try one of the Momose basses or the Bacchus exotic wood models.
 
it did stay put well enough once I'd adjusted it. I don't know how long it had been since the previous time (long before I bought it). I think having got it settled in, it might have stayed set for long time,That felt good but it didn't take away the pain of losing that synth! That really hurt.
I love MIDI. There have been so many obituaries written for it, and it never dies.

I had a Putney demolished by UPS.

Yeah that's how it's been with the Pro One. I carted it around to gigs having just purchased it in the early '80's and it wouldn't drift like the Putney. Used it mostly for bass anyway with a Korg CX3.

MIDI was there when polyphony was just getting started. So it had (has?) it's uses. It still works for controllers. But it depends on what its triggering. Sometimes it can get sluggish.
 
I remember clearly in 1986 I had a Fender Precision bass MIJ that I got from a family friend for $50. I was new to bass and knew NOTHING. It had flatwounds on it and I thought that's how all bass strings felt, and I HATED it. It was like Golden Gate Bridge cables.

So, I put the bass in the classified gazzette asking to trade it for a Cerwin Vega 118 cab, and a guy named Marshall Villo (I STILL remember his name !) came eagerly to do the trade and saw it was made in Japan and he was pissed. He said, "NO WAY." Imagine that now ? We were BOTH living in a different era. I ended up selling it for $50 bucks...

Fast forward to now, or up to 15 years ago, or so. You have Ibanez Premium basses, and Sire basses to name two off the top of my head that are pro level basses and made in Indonesia. In my opinion, the MII basses are the new MIJ basses. They are just incredible and affordable, but that is changing. Even an overseas bass could put you back over $2k.

Sorry if I didn't answer the question, or veered off in a way.
 
How's about if I talk about my trip to Tokyo-Shibuya and Ochanomizu, Ebisu, etc. to delve into Japanese culture and LOOK AT BASSES???

What? You'd rather I didn't? OK then.
However-
There are a number of small batch builders in Japan who make some unbelievably good basses.
Most aren't available in the US, but can be bought & shipped through IKEBE or a Japanese retailer.

Here's a few I can think of offhand

SAGO
Psychedrhythm
TUNE
Atelier Z
Zeus
SUGI
Dragonfly (Harry's Engineering)
STR
Ryoga
Freedom

Several others. Google these brands; you will be impressed I think, and can see some total eye candy.
 
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How's about if I talk about my trip to Tokyo-Shibuya and Ochanomizu, Ebisu, etc. to delve into japanese culture and LOOK AT BASSES???

What? You'd rather I didn't? OK then.
However-
There are a number of small batch builders in Japan who make some unbelievably good basses.
Most aren't available in the US, but can be bought & shipped through IKEBE or a Japanese retailer.

Here's a few I can think of offhand

SAGO
Psychedrhythm
TUNE
Atelier Z
Zeus
SUGI
Dragonfly (Harry's Engineering)
STR
Ryoga
Freedom

Several others. Google these brands; you will be impressed I think, and can see some total eye candy.

Yeah was wondering when Marco Polo was going to chime about his travels.

I was last in Japan in 2004. Hit all the music stores. My son held an English teaching position at the time.

Bought a Yamaha P60 88-key piano controller.

Did you take the train and get push-packed into the train before the doors closed?

Best is to go to Japan.
 
I took the train several times, and surprisingly it was never too crowded.

I met some Japanese associates there who took me around for a few days, & I also managed to find my way around by myself as well.
Great city, great people, great culture- and awesome bass selections. Nothing even close stateside.
Must be seen to be believed. Makes GC look sad by comparison.
I bought a DRAGONFLY from Key Music & had it shipped back to me. Still one of my prizes.

I was invited by the rep to see SAGO, & could have taken the Bullet train there, but did not have the time sorry to say.
I'd go back in a hot second.
 
The train was packed going to Tokyo but coming back it wasn't. The store shipped the piano to my son's place rather than take it back on a train. I took the piano with me on the plane out of Japan.

Yes Japan is a magical place. Driving on those highways at any speed you want was wild. You'd see all manner of fast models zooming by. Lots of toll booths though. My son got into the Japan speed car genre with his Honda.

Music stores are definitely eye openers there. Going from store to store was fun.

Always wanted a Caparison Horus.

Caparison Guitars, Hand Made in Japan. Official Website.
 
Only roads I saw on my trip were from the bus to/from Nagoya AP, I stayed within the parameters of Shibuya during my stay. I'd love to explore more of Japan,and hope to do so in the near future (Covid & such non-withstanding).
That Caparison is superb.
"Just another" example of the dedicated craftsmen building works of beauty and tone.
Here's another such build that caught my eye:

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If only yen grew on trees...
 
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MIDI was there when polyphony was just getting started. So it had (has?) it's uses. It still works for controllers. But it depends on what its triggering. Sometimes it can get sluggish.

It might fall down with poly aftertouch, but not otherwise, so long as cheap sources didn't queue up every sampled value from a mod source and send the lot! The trick is to use good sources that sample, and send at rapid fixed intervals (most do because they multiplex internally if they have several sources). Then all that need be done is to have a good receiver that uses high core res and an interpolator that mimics a flywheel, but overcomes its own 'mass' on hearing fast jumps in value by stepping up its own core step size. This method might even cope with poly aftertouch, if there was only one such source on the cable. When I designed my software I tested several keyboards and knob-twiddlers, and most could produce a viable result, sometimes needing thinning of incoming messages, the only ones that got sluggish are those that held and sent everything regardless of wheel speed, and thinning works for those too, if they get through the cable in time. Also, too low a source res isn't nice, even a Yamaha SY35 uses only 1 in 4 values on the scale for mod wheel, but uses all for the joystick. The problem isn't MIDI, it's only when not using it fully for what it is that it falls down, and newer devices tend to abuse it more than old ones. I can get an analog-smooth 10 octave sweep out of standard one-byte pitch bend with no glitches or zipper noise, going fast or slow, though of course the final settled note won't have better than about a semitone precision! Then again, when people are sweeping ten octaves, it's not usually that kind of precision they're after with it, but the dramatic effect..

I'll leave it there, probably way too offtopic now for this thread. I just think that like a good bass, MIDI isn't going to fall apart and vanish. People might add to it, but they won't get rid. Too many fine instruments would be ruled out if they did that.
 
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It might fall down with poly aftertouch, but not otherwise, so long as cheap sources didn't queue up every sampled value from a mod source and send the lot! The trick is to use good sources that sample, and send at rapid fixed intervals (most do because they multiplex internally if they have several sources). Then all that need be done is to have a good receiver that uses high core res and an interpolator that mimics a flywheel, but overcomes its own 'mass' on hearing fast jumps in value by stepping up its own core step size. This method might even cope with poly aftertouch, if there was only one such source on the cable. When I designed my software I tested several keyboards and knob-twiddlers, and most could produce a viable result, sometimes needing thinning of incoming messages, the only ones that got sluggish are those that held and sent everything regardless of wheel speed, and thinning works for those too, if they get through the cable in time. Also, too low a source res isn't nice, even a Yamaha SY35 uses only 1 in 4 values on the scale for mod wheel, but uses all for the joystick. The problem isn't MIDI, it's only when not using it fully for what it is that it falls down, and newer devices tend to abuse it more than old ones. I can get an analog-smooth 10 octave sweep out of standard one-byte pitch bend with no glitches or zipper noise, going fast or slow, though of course the final settled note won't have better than about a semitone precision! Then again, when people are sweeping ten octaves, it's not usually that kind of precision they're after with it, but the dramatic effect..

I'll leave it there, probably way too offtopic now for this thread. I just think that like a good bass, MIDI isn't going to fall apart and vanish. People might add to it, but they won't get rid. Too many fine instruments would be ruled out if they did that.

I think I learned something there.

Will take a while to sink in...

What I noticed was using a Roland controller to a Roland module for example, the keys react better to the module than another brand of controller.
 
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