• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Best Bass DIs

Actually, a good point has been raised.
The Radial J48 is a super clean, uncolored DI.
The RNDI will bring out a bit more character from your bass, a little warmth, but it too is super clean and uncolored.
Are you wanted a DI with more character?
Most of the DI's mentioned that add character (REDDI, Noble, Motown) all emulate (more or less) an Ampeg B15.
OP needs to decide what he wants from a DI, color or no color.

the motown DI doesn't emulate a b15. not sure where you are getting this. it's an old transformer that's it, no tubes, no eq, nothing at all like an ampeg. the noble has nothing to do with an ampeg either, it's modeled after the fender bassman tone stack (diametrically opposed to the ampeg tone stack).

the RNDI doesn't contain character at all, just cause it has the neve name doesn't mean anything. Rupert's RND products are all designed to be free and clear of character and are very transparent sounding devices.
 
the motown DI doesn't emulate a b15. not sure where you are getting this. it's an old transformer that's it, no tubes, no eq, nothing at all like an ampeg. the noble has nothing to do with an ampeg either, it's modeled after the fender bassman tone stack (diametrically opposed to the ampeg tone stack).

the RNDI doesn't contain character at all, just cause it has the neve name doesn't mean anything. Rupert's RND products are all designed to be free and clear of character and are very transparent sounding devices.
Actually, I knew that about the Motown DI, but since that Motown sound is so often associated with the B15, thought it to be sufficient shorthand.
As for the Noble, I did not know that. I know it has bass and treble knobs, and most of the times I've heard it I'd say it had a B15ish character. Also a friend who's a gear snob sold his REDDI for a Noble, and if it doesn't have that B15 feel, he doesn't want it.
So i learned something today.

That said, I will declare for the rest of my days that the RNDI is the best DI that man will ever make. When I said it brings out character, I simply meant it is cleaner and cleared than any other DI I've ever used.
I A/B'd a Radial J48 and the RNDI, and with the RNDI I heard nuance in my tone that didn't come through the J48.



BTW, that Motown DI is trash, not because of how it sounds, but because of the legality of its existence.
Long story short, the guy who made the DI box that the Motown cats plugged into, upon which the Motown DI is "based", agreed to do a limited run for Acme using the original transformers. His circuit, mind you. Wolftone DI, i think they called it.
After that run, Acme swapped in different transformers and marketed it as the Motown DI, without the original designers permission.
That's not cool in my book, so I couldn't ever recommend the Motown DI, ever.
 
Actually, I knew that about the Motown DI, but since that Motown sound is so often associated with the B15, thought it to be sufficient shorthand.

As far as I know, the vast majority of Motown bass tracks were recorded with a DI. It would be an error in my opinion to associate the "Motown sound" with the Ampeg B15 (or any other amp).

No love for Darkglass here? I don't have one...yet...just surprised nobody's mentioned it given the (perceived...by me) greatness.

I wasn't aware Darkglass made a DI. Got a link?
 
  • Like
Reactions: markjazzbassist
Probably showing my ignorance, but I was assuming their vintage deluxe (Well, all Deluxe series) had a DI. Granted, you might want the drive earlier in the chain, but I thought about buying it for later drive color and DI.

[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

If we're splitting hairs, I would consider that a "preamp" not a "DI." But it looks like a cool product for achieving a classic/vintage tone. I hope I get a chance to try it out someday! :)
 
Well TBers,
I really appreciate all your comments. I’m glad to hear that, in general, the 2 radial 48s were good choices. Frankly, I buy every piece of hardware, used, on GCs national site. Their return anything policy just can’t be beat.
I couldn’t remember all the details as the how the original Motown DI ended up getting marketed, but your comments reminded me of how the original got dumbed down, when it became a commercial product.
Sounds like someone really likes the RNDI, so I’ll keep it in mind.
I guess that I became interested in DIs and preamps for my digital home setup, after I decided that I didn’t like the thin , muddy tone that came out of my amp head direct out. I did a lot of reading, bought the radials and noticed the significant improvement. Plus I have a friend who’s a gadget nut and is constantly looking to get me to spend more money that I don’t have and get a reddi or some other tube preamp, DI, whatever. Anyway, sounds like a strong vote for the Neve, but I’ll have to re-read all your comments here. Please continue to post any experiences, opinions, etc.
I’ve got so many other things to spend on right now, so I won’t be getting any other DIs for s while, but it really helps to have all your opinions going forward. So, the list grows. Keep those cards and letters coming.
 
Mushroo,
Which one are you responding to? You also remind me that I’m still a bit confused over the DI/ preamp question.
Thx

He quoted it. He was responding to my link to the Darkglass Vintage Deluxe, which is a preamp, but which they call a "direct output," which is apparently different than a "direct input." Which all means that I'm a bit confused about the difference too!
 
My layman's distinction of a preamp vs. DI, is that a preamp (Noble, Darkglass, etc.) has gain, EQ, and/or tone-shaping capabilities, whereas a DI (Radial, Neve, Motown, etc.) has no tone shaping controls, other than perhaps a pad or attenuator.

A preamp can include a built-in DI. For example looking at the Darkglass product line, the Vintage Deluxe has a DI but the non-deluxe version does not. Bass amp heads also often have built-in DI's.

That's my layman's understanding. I'm sure there is a more technical definition. :)
 
Man, I have a lot to sort through here!! (lol). In answer to one question that came up a few times, I guess I’m looking for a bit more thickness and”warmth” “character”. The only way I know how to describe dound is that” I’ll know it when I hear it”, so to speak. Looking through stay no time be, but not muddy, which, I know , is also a function of my own technique and ability. Mushroos idea of adding that Pedal is interesting.
I like the radial. It was, as I mentioned, a clear improvement over my class D Direct out. It just got me thinking about the fact that “ not all DIs are created equal”. So, I just thought that I’d get everyone’s thoughts on it.
Being from the B-15 age(I’m 67), I just picked up the second Ampeg add on for AmpliTube 4.
It’s the svr2 set. So, I do DI INto my DAW(PT), insert AmpliTube and use the B-15 setup. The svr2 kit has 3 old Ampeg amps. I just wanted the B-15. When I was about 17, I bought one for probably 150 bucks, IDK. It got lost along the way. Now they’re 3-4K. Anyway, sounds pretty good so far. I just appreciate all the options you’ve all tossed out.
Now, I’ve got a list of at least 10 to check out in the future.
Thank you all!!
 
He quoted it. He was responding to my link to the Darkglass Vintage Deluxe, which is a preamp, but which they call a "direct output," which is apparently different than a "direct input." Which all means that I'm a bit confused about the difference too!
Haha! I’ll look at that dark glass link later and see if I’m any less confused!
 
My layman's distinction of a preamp vs. DI, is that a preamp (Noble, Darkglass, etc.) has gain, EQ, and/or tone-shaping capabilities, whereas a DI (Radial, Neve, Motown, etc.) has no tone shaping controls, other than perhaps a pad or attenuator.

A preamp can include a built-in DI. For example looking at the Darkglass product line, the Vintage Deluxe has a DI but the non-deluxe version does not. Bass amp heads also often have built-in DI's.

That's my layman's understanding. I'm sure there is a more technical definition. :)

Well summarized. Thank you!
I also realize that it’s those guitar players that get me into trouble. All those pedals “The search for tone” as they say. I have a tele and a strat and a pedalboard, so I’m a bit guilty.
It’s mostly to keep my guitarist buddies happy when they come by to record.(lol) Also keeps them from bringing the kitchen sink with them and cluttering up my setup.
 
My layman's distinction of a preamp vs. DI, is that a preamp (Noble, Darkglass, etc.) has gain, EQ, and/or tone-shaping capabilities, whereas a DI (Radial, Neve, Motown, etc.) has no tone shaping controls, other than perhaps a pad or attenuator.

A preamp can include a built-in DI. For example looking at the Darkglass product line, the Vintage Deluxe has a DI but the non-deluxe version does not. Bass amp heads also often have built-in DI's.

That's my layman's understanding. I'm sure there is a more technical definition. :)

So a DI is DI and a preamp is DI+. That makes sense, thank you.

It brings me back to my original question: No love for Darkglass? Still seems relevant to the convo. At least if you can flatten the EQ/tone shaping if you want a straight DI, but then use their tone shaping when you want. I've been thinking about a DI, but love the Vintage Microtubes, so it seems that the Vintage Deluxe is the gem, since I want that tone shaping.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Old Garage-Bander
Well summarized. Thank you!
I also realize that it’s those guitar players that get me into trouble. All those pedals “The search for tone” as they say. I have a tele and a strat and a pedalboard, so I’m a bit guilty.
It’s mostly to keep my guitarist buddies happy when they come by to record.(lol) Also keeps them from bringing the kitchen sink with them and cluttering up my setup.

Since you already have a guitar pedalboard, why not experiment with using some of those pedals between your bass and the Radial DI? Even something as commonplace as a Joyo American Sound (for example) would open up some interesting tonal options.
 
A bud box, but any pedal enclosure works too just gotta be deep enough to fit it. Wiring just google it, simple input to transformer, to output. There’s a ground lug, the thru is just wired off the input

I like the 1590 series, so it looks like I'd need a 1590C, because my ADC (50k to 600, 300, or 150 0hm) is 1 1/2 inches thick. The box is 4.7"Lx3.7"Wx2.2"H.
About 20 bucks shipped. Not bad.