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Black spots on white refinish

I think its a combination of what Smilodon said, and some bad sandpaper leaving itself in the finish. 30yobass, how long did you let the finish dry before you started sanding? The good news is that it looks like you were able to sand it out. Even if you sand down past the color coat a bit you can always just spray another coat. You are going to have to spray some more clear anyway so its not a big deal. The great thing about finishing is that its never not fixable.
 
Well, the white coats were ok and smooth, then I gave 2-3 clear ones and i dont know if it was because of crap sandpaper (no more brands that Im aware here in Gran Canaria) or that the clear laquer needed more time to cure before sanding or i sprayed to much... But the black spots turned up
So now... Should i keep on sanding the clear coats and hope the black spots disappear or could I spray white nitro on top of the mess and wetsand and try the clear nitro again...?
 
I think its a combination of what Smilodon said, and some bad sandpaper leaving itself in the finish. 30yobass, how long did you let the finish dry before you started sanding? The good news is that it looks like you were able to sand it out. Even if you sand down past the color coat a bit you can always just spray another coat. You are going to have to spray some more clear anyway so its not a big deal. The great thing about finishing is that its never not fixable.

Hopkins, I think it wasnt more than 2 days
 
Hopkins, I think it wasnt more than 2 days


That's your problem man, Nitro needs to gas out for at least 3 or 4 weeks before you start wet sanding and polishing. Nitro drys to the touch very quickly, but it takes a long time to fully cure. A good rule of thumb is if you can still smell it, its not ready to polish. After the smell goes away it is usually finished out gassing and is ready. Its a good idea to wet sand it lightly after about 3 weeks, and let it sit another week before continuing.
 
But that never happened when wetsanding the white coats. Do you mean that after spraying the clear ones I have to wait 3 weeks? If so, do you think I could sand off the remains of the spoiled clear coat and start all over with the clear coats? If what they have said about coats melting, I can spray it and wetsand once I sprayed a few coats instead of wetsanding between coats, I guess....
 
But that never happened when wetsanding the white coats. Do you mean that after spraying the clear ones I have to wait 3 weeks? If so, do you think I could sand off the remains of the spoiled clear coat and start all over with the clear coats? If what they have said about coats melting, I can spray it and wetsand once I sprayed a few coats instead of wetsanding between coats, I guess....


Well, what I think may have happened, is that when you were wet sanding, you had a bad piece of paper, that left itself in the finish, and since the finish was still soft it embedded itself.

I never wet sand between coats, just a light scuff sanding to knock the high spots down with 400 grit is enough. What I would do in your position, would be to go ahead and sand out the bad spots and re clear it. Just make sure you get some grease and wax remover and clean the body very well before you start spraying.

With nitro, I would spray about 4 coats a day, for 3 days totaling about 12 coats. Scuff sand it before the first coat you spray that day.
 
Thanks a lot Hopkins, i'll do that.
And after reading that the coats melt into one... I dont know why everybody says in lots of threads to bloody wetsand and leave the coats smooth between coats!!!

Don't look into the melting into the previous coats thing to much. It just means that the solvents soften the underlying coats so it doesn't leave witness lines. It doesn't completely melt the previous coats to the point they are completely wet. Just knock the high spots off with a block and 400 grit before you start spraying every day and you will be fine.

I pretty much quit using Nitro because it takes so long to dry and its not very durable, but its a pretty easy finish to spray. Repairs are much easier than a urethane finish. You will get it, you just have to be very patient and give it plenty of time to fully cure.
 
what grade of thinner did you use in the lacquer? or are you using spray cans?
i suggest you wet sand the surface, until it is nice and smooth, with either the 600 or 800 whichever you know is wet/dry paper. then let the body sit in the sun for a couple of days. then start over with the white base coat.
how many coats of clear did you use? did you allow the proper flash time between coats?
make sure to avoid what we used to call "the thicker is quicker" method when applying lacquer because you can end up trapping solvents in the first coats of clear. always use the correct grade of thinner, the correct reduction % and the correct application method. more coats applied correctly will always work better than trying to spray fewer really wet coats.

your picture looks to me like you applied the white base coat in very heavy coats and you didn't give it enough time in between coats. then you sprayed the clear in the same method. this traps a lot of solvent/thinner in the finish and it can cause a problem exactly like what you are going through. everything looks great until you start wet sanding. then you expose the layers of paint ruined by the excessive solvents.

yes, waiting three weeks before wet sanding and wheeling is a way of doing things but in the real world this is seldom possible. we would shoot lacquer on a cadillac and sometimes buff it the same day, at the most it would sit until the next day but very rarely. did we have die-back? yes, after a week or two a customer would notice a few spots that didn't shine as well as they should. a little rebuffing and they were good to go. that was the accepted method for thirty plus years and it still is today.
with a guitar body you can give it more time than a cadillac hood in a production bodyshop.
proper application is the key, "thicker is quicker" is usually not quicker in the end. once you get the application correct place the body someplace warm, with fresh air, for a couple of days then start the wet sanding and polishing.
 
Hi W,
Maybe I sprayed the coats a bit thick, its the first time repainting a bass and i got myself a cheap electric paint gun. Im doing now what Hopkins said and Im getting into the white but i just realized that after a while of wetsanding with 400 grit, the "-white foam" starts going black and the black spots come back, like if you can only get good results if you dont use it for too long, so i change it as soon as it start to do that.
When I'll get rid of the black spots I'll spray thinner coats, like 3 per day for 3 or 4 days and then...wait for 3 weeks until proper wetsanding to leave the surface smooth???