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Broughton Audio Super Thread

Exactly one week from order to delivery!
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First impressions after 10 min through headphones: no farts, more like a swarm of polite bumblebees. Gotta admit... I fear this is not a drive for me. Needs more experimenting. By comparison (at the risk of annoying @Erithon with pedals that are not strictly comparable, haha) I knew immediately that the Valve Champ, AVB, and Tubedrve were keepers.
 
Exactly one week from order to delivery!
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First impressions after 10 min through headphones: no farts, more like a swarm of polite bumblebees. Gotta admit... I fear this is not a drive for me. Needs more experimenting. By comparison (at the risk of annoying @Erithon with pedals that are not strictly comparable, haha) I knew immediately that the Valve Champ, AVB, and Tubedrve were keepers.
I’m your guy.
 
Exactly one week from order to delivery!
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First impressions after 10 min through headphones: no farts, more like a swarm of polite bumblebees. Gotta admit... I fear this is not a drive for me. Needs more experimenting. By comparison (at the risk of annoying @Erithon with pedals that are not strictly comparable, haha) I knew immediately that the Valve Champ, AVB, and Tubedrve were keepers.
Got some nice pedals for ya if you look to trade/sell:
 
I disagree. Many Broughton pedals are "extremely rare"--indeed, a good number are considerably rarer than the Sunray--but they aren't as widely sought after. I think the primary reason the Sunray is considered so good by people who have never played one is because of who says it's good. Speaking for myself, the TB members who told me it was worth pursing are among those whose opinions I value most highly; I know how much gear they've had pass through their hands so when they say something is particularly good, I pay attention. And they were right: when I got my Sunray a little less than two years ago it exceeded my expectations and has been on my board since.

A couple additional thoughts:
  • There is probably a point at which extreme rarity prevents a pedal from being desirable because there aren't enough units to generate a critical mass of chatter and spur demand. Clearly the 20 units of the original Sunray and the similar number of Quicksilvers managed to reach such a critical mass and engender such demand. At the same time, some Broughton pedals (be they one-offs, very low production, or even moderately low production) just aren't good enough circuits to inspire people to rave about them. But then you also have pedals like the Signal Cypher (much rarer than a Sunray, even before the latest drop) which are by all accounts excellent, but hardly as in demand which goes to show it's not about rarity or reputation, but a combination of both. (And, I'm sure, the actual function of the pedal: more bassists need overdrive than they do synth sounds.)
  • There are more sound clips out there than you might think. They're just not public. I make my Broughton Audio samples public because I wish I had been able to hear samples of a lot of these smallish-batch pedals; my hope is it saves other folks the effort I went through to try them so they can determine what pedals most interest them and focus on those.
Any chance you can compare the Sunray to the Tubedrve and NightOwl Parabellum?
 
On a side note, the 3LA thread has received less and less messages lately. I would love to see if there is an inverse correlation bewteen the number of pedals made available and the number of messages on the thread.

What is the real impact of scarcity on demand?
It looks like since the pedals are much more available, the 3LA thread is slowing down.
Maybe it was just a hype and people moved on ?
Maybe it was the right people saying it is good !
TBer in shambles.

Or even maybe the thread is not even slowing down and my perception is flawed because this very thread is extremely active ? Who knows.

The Broughton rare drops are still hot, but I do think it's an economy thing under the hood.
 
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You told me it was good LOL
I know :) And now you know I was telling the truth :cool:

I do recognize the irony here, but it's superficial: the Sunray had achieved nigh unobtainable status years before I got one. I did not establish its reputation or status, though I admit I have affirmed it! Like many of us, when I really like a piece of gear, I sing its praises. Anyway, my point is that your experience parallels mine and, I suspect, most people's: the Sunray is primarily desirable not because of its rarity, but because someone to whom we ascribe a degree of credibility says it's an excellent pedal 🤷‍♂️
On a side note, the 3LA thread has received less and less messages lately. I would love to see if there is an inverse correlation bewteen the number of pedals made available and the number of messages on the thread.

What is the real impact of scarcity on demand?
It looks like since the pedals are much more available, the 3LA thread is slowing down.
Maybe it was just a hype and people moved on ?
Maybe it was the right people saying it is good !
TBer in shambles.

Or even maybe the thread is not even slowing down and my perception is flawed because this very thread is extremely active ? Who knows.
@letsgethandsome is no doubt correct that the lack of a wholly new circuit (versus tweaks of existing circuits) in many, many years is partly responsible. And I'm sure @musicmansf is also right about the financial factor. 3 Leaf Audio pedals aren't cheap! (I think they're worth it, but I totally get why someone else might not. And there's no world where I pay $1,000 for a Chromatron. I'd consider paying a small premium for one of those Plum Metallic Doom 2s, though.)

The other reason is all the drama. Not just some of the, shall we say, "colorful" posts on the website and nonsense like the tied sales with the bundled preamps, but also the fiasco between Spencer and Darkglass, and then Spencer and TB. So the 3 Leaf Thread has no solid foundation on which to build community. But that's normal. This thread is the exception. And that's only to be expected since it's technically not a thread, but a superthread :laugh:
First impressions after 10 min through headphones: no farts, more like a swarm of polite bumblebees. Gotta admit... I fear this is not a drive for me. Needs more experimenting. By comparison (at the risk of annoying @Erithon with pedals that are not strictly comparable, haha) I knew immediately that the Valve Champ, AVB, and Tubedrve were keepers.
Bahaha I'll give you a pass, my friend, since you affirm the Sunray doesn't fart. No matter how many times I say this, people continue to apply fart jokes to the Sunray. No. Reserve those jokes for the Quicksilver and Valve Champ, please.
Any chance you can compare the Sunray to the Tubedrve and NightOwl Parabellum?
Yes and no. See quoted post below.
Read here, here, here, and here, with a direct (albeit unhelpful) response to your question in the third of those four links concerning the Tubedrve.
 
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This thread is the exception. And that's only to be expected since it's technically not a thread, but a superthread :laugh:
The self governing aspect of this thread is what to me makes it special.

We don’t need mods, we are the mods!

I only joined the broughs recently but when the whole body of regulars stood up for a poster who shared an opinion that was poo poo’d by someone with a prompt and resound “we don’t poopoo opinions like that here” I knew I found a corner of the internet that was truly special.

Messaged boards are a bit antiquated but every so often you find one that operates like the 90s version of the internet had intended - to build community through common bonds.
 
The self governing aspect of this thread is what to me makes it special.

We don’t need mods, we are the mods!

I only joined the broughs recently but when the whole body of regulars stood up for a poster who shared an opinion that was poo poo’d by someone with a prompt and resound “we don’t poopoo opinions like that here” I knew I found a corner of the internet that was truly special.

Messaged boards are a bit antiquated but every so often you find one that operates like the 90s version of the internet had intended - to build community through common bonds.
FTFY
 
Tube drives are my weakness. My experience with them is there’s this wonderful slice that works with most of what I want to do outside the capabilities of my Arkham UltraLinear amp. I play fretless and am not much on dirt. The paradigm remains the Quicksilver. The Sunray comes next. There’s so many variables involved- placement, other effects, gain structure of your chain, your bass- passive or active, your ears, and ultimately your fingers. Sound clips help but unless your rig matches the setup in the clip, it remains so subjective as to just scratch the surface of the effect featured. I was really surprised at what the Bug Caster and Bug Drive did; the Edison Night Owl does really well- if it featured top jacks it would be better represented. The Tubedrve is in a completely different category. I could live with any of these. Obviously, scarcity comes into play when you’re talking about the Quicksilver and Sunray. Its nice to be able to think you could sell an effect for more than you paid for it, but that has zero to do with the pedal performance. You get an obvious ROI, but beyond that, if your tube driver compresses and provides a pleasant soft clip, you’re really splitting hairs. The Tubedrve is a different beast. Entirely different. Of the pre-mentioned drivers , it is the only one I prefer late in the chain.
 
Exactly one week from order to delivery!
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First impressions after 10 min through headphones: no farts, more like a swarm of polite bumblebees. Gotta admit... I fear this is not a drive for me. Needs more experimenting. By comparison (at the risk of annoying @Erithon with pedals that are not strictly comparable, haha) I knew immediately that the Valve Champ, AVB, and Tubedrve were keepers.
Dibs
Edit: too late haha
 
Exactly one week from order to delivery!
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First impressions after 10 min through headphones: no farts, more like a swarm of polite bumblebees. Gotta admit... I fear this is not a drive for me. Needs more experimenting. By comparison (at the risk of annoying @Erithon with pedals that are not strictly comparable, haha) I knew immediately that the Valve Champ, AVB, and Tubedrve were keepers.
Another f'n European who got theirs before mine has cleared customs.

I'm not bitter. Really, I'm not.












I am a little bitter.
 
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