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Busking scam: electric violin

Huh?

You mean like George Strait?

Is the busker auditioning for Berklee or just some dude trying to entertain passers by? If it’s the former you have reason to question the legitimacy of the performance. If the latter, is it a good show or no? If NO, don’t put money in his bucket.

Ever see Diamond Rio? Marty Roe might be a great musician. But usually his hands just hug the guitar, occasionally it’s a bass. Idle hands…

Pro tip, the metal guy at Times Square is not a real robot.
 
Saw this guy (or someone like him) in a parking lot recently. Was NOT playing the violin. Although I normally toss a dollar in the busker's bucket, I didn't in this case. I felt....deceived? Anyway, he didn't get my dollar.

Lots of people don't carry cash anymore. How do we pay buskers?
 
Saw this guy (or someone like him) in a parking lot recently. Was NOT playing the violin. Although I normally toss a dollar in the busker's bucket, I didn't in this case. I felt....deceived? Anyway, he didn't get my dollar.

Lots of people don't carry cash anymore. How do we pay buskers?
When I know I’m going to be around buskers, I carry single $ bills.
I truly enjoy most street buskers/performances.
 
I've been following a Facebook discussion about a video a friend on there posted of a man playing electric violin through a speaker with a backing track. There was some talk in the comments of the video about if the person was really playing the violin or just faking playing along with the song.

At first I thought it was legit because that seems like a lot of effort and investment to run a scam. You have to buy an electric violin, powered speaker, power source, and find some songs to mime playing along with. But watching the video closer I could tell the player was not legit, such as the movements being out of sync with the sounds.

My wife and I had a discussion about it for a while. I said not enough people play violin to get them called out as being fake. (It would be a lot harder to run a scam like that with a guitar.) We both agreed it is deceptive as they are pretending to play music, written and preformed by someone else, to get tips from people in a parking lot.

While we were talking about it I looked up the scam and apparently it has been a problem in Texas with some reporting of it in FLA. The Facebook video was shot in the suburbs of NOLA.

I was curious if anyone has seen this in their area?


We have a guy that fakes it on accordion around here. I figure he needs some help so I give him money.

Also, I’ve played the violin since I was knee high to a grasshopper. We have a legit violinist busker around here with the same setup. He gets more money.
 
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I'm totally okay with it. Lipsynching and air guitar are common at all levels of musicianship. It would be cruel as a society, to be okay with an aging millionaire celebrity playing air-guitar in a superbowl halftime show, but not okay with struggling amateurs at the local level playing air-violin for pocket change.

Given that lipsynching and air-guitar exist, and are standard tools of professional entertainers, I think it is elitist to say, these technologies should be forbidden for local amateurs. I think music-making should be democratic, and the tools should be available to anyone who wants to make a joyful noise. (Even beginners, posers, scrubs, losers, nerds, and geeks.)

Basically, I think it's elitist to say only rich, successful people are allowed to play the Milli Vanilli game.

Hear! Hear!

That said, if you give ANY money to ANYONE in a parking lot holding a sing, you aren't very bright.

Just like the violinist who challenged the fake players, try offering to actually help one of those sign holders on the side of the road or in a parking lot. Offer to take them into a restaurant and buy them food. Offer to help them find a shelter, a job, an organization that is set up to help them in multiple ways, etc. You will get turned down every single time.

When my daughters were 7 and 9, I had to teach them this lesson. They would get upset with Mrs.Fingers and with me because we would drive by these "poor people". So I took them with me when I offered anything other than cash. We even bought lunch for one of them and I let my daughters give it to him. Then we pulled out of the parking lot and sat across the street. About 5 minutes later he took one swallow of the drink and then threw everything we had bought in the trash.

People who really, REALLY need help don't turn to strangers in a parking lot. Period.
 
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I'm totally okay with it. Lipsynching and air guitar are common at all levels of musicianship. It would be cruel as a society, to be okay with an aging millionaire celebrity playing air-guitar in a superbowl halftime show, but not okay with struggling amateurs at the local level playing air-violin for pocket change.

Given that lipsynching and air-guitar exist, and are standard tools of professional entertainers, I think it is elitist to say, these technologies should be forbidden for local amateurs. I think music-making should be democratic, and the tools should be available to anyone who wants to make a joyful noise. (Even beginners, posers, scrubs, losers, nerds, and geeks.)

Basically, I think it's elitist to say only rich, successful people are allowed to play the Milli Vanilli game.
They've found something to do that is a step above standing at the corner and asking for cash. It may not be everyone's definition of "work," but they are working. I don't begrudge anyone the right to figure out how to earn a dollar, even if they don't have a useful skill.

Do I think it's silly? Maybe. But if they're pulling it off and feeding the kids, I'm not going to be the one to judge whether it's right or wrong.
 
I've seen it here in the Salt Lake City area. All of a sudden everywhere all across town, multiple people, all "playing" violin all of a sudden, even multiple people in the same parking lot.

At least some of them were easily recognizable as regularly-seen folks who previously would drive around town in their van with their kids and come up to people in parking lots. They don't seem to be part of the local unsheltered communities, but I'm not an expert there.
 
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Saw this guy (or someone like him) in a parking lot recently. Was NOT playing the violin. Although I normally toss a dollar in the busker's bucket, I didn't in this case. I felt....deceived? Anyway, he didn't get my dollar.

Lots of people don't carry cash anymore. How do we pay buskers?
There are a lot of homeless people with Venmo accounts on their signs. Pretty clever.
 
more scammers busted!

get a rope!

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We have a guy that fakes it on accordion around here. I figure he needs some help so I give him money.

Also, I’ve played the violin since I was knee high to a grasshopper. We have a legit violinist busker around here with the same setup. He gets more money.
I went to Target the other day and there was a young family in the parking lot. The man was playing Christmas carols on an accordion- all in a minor key. Jingle bells played this way is interesting. Anyway, they looked pretty cold and miserable (could account for the key change) so everyone in our group gave them a little something.
 
That story ran two years ago on KETK. And it appears that it is still happening here in Tyler. They just ran an update on the story on December 8, 2021.

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It is the first I've heard of it here. I guess I find it interesting because it seems like such a niche thing to get in to. It is not like electric violins are available everywhere, plus you need a speaker and all that.

I wonder how long you have to be out there to recoup the startup costs. Spitballing I'd say between $300 to $400 to get the set up.
 
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I'm totally okay with it. Lipsynching and air guitar are common at all levels of musicianship. It would be cruel as a society, to be okay with an aging millionaire celebrity playing air-guitar in a superbowl halftime show, but not okay with struggling amateurs at the local level playing air-violin for pocket change.

Given that lipsynching and air-guitar exist, and are standard tools of professional entertainers, I think it is elitist to say, these technologies should be forbidden for local amateurs. I think music-making should be democratic, and the tools should be available to anyone who wants to make a joyful noise. (Even beginners, posers, scrubs, losers, nerds, and geeks.)

Basically, I think it's elitist to say only rich, successful people are allowed to play the Milli Vanilli game.
The only problem with that premise is that before any such superbowl appearence or the like, said superstars, as long as they weren’t manufactred boy/girl band units, learned the instruments, put in the work, paid the dues, gained the popularity, performed live all the way from dives to arenas, and if they are called on to appear in such a TV gig, the decision to lip synch/mime is made by the producers of the event, for logistical, technical reasons, and the performance is brief. As far as the little guy in the street, it’s only democratic if that person recorded the backing tracks/sequenced themselves, or if they’re using generics, they put in some sort of actual live performance effort, either instrumental or vocal. Why do ‘superstar’ DJs with zero musicsl skills make insane money standing in front of thousands of people by merely playing records(regardless of technology used)that all sound alike? At best, all they are, are editors.
 
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