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Well, after reviewing a couple things I'm looking into pursuing a PhD in history or anthropology. I'll likely go with history as I enjoy the thought of being able to pick my own area of study and expertise. Not to mention, advanced math and physics skills don't hold much weight in history! I think I may enrol in a German language course as well as any ancient language (Latin, Old Norse, Old English, etc.) courses I can find. Other than that, I'll just keep doing what I usually do...read books and do my own research. At least I'll be able to keep my flowin' mane if I don't join the military! :hyper:

I am a historian and in academia, and this is a bittersweet post for me to read. On the one hand, it's great to see bright young people recognize the value of history. On the other hand, I feel obligated to give you a realistic sense of what you're up against.

In North America, college history positions get hired on an annual cycle. Most jobs get posted at the end of the summer or early fall, and you submit your applications between September and November. The hiring committees sift through all the applications and pick a dozen or two to interview, usually at the AHA Annual Meeting right after New Years; based on that, typically 3 or 4 get invited to a campus visit (typically in February or so) and then, of course, just one gets hired in March or April, who will take the position for the following Fall semester. There is also a second wave of Spring postings, mostly lower-ranking schools and temporary positions. For one slot, a committee typically gets at least a hundred applications. Of course, it's more or less the same hundred people applying for all the jobs available in a given specialization, but in any given specialization there are typically maybe 25-35 positions opened each year (in all of North America). Bottom line; in history, you can spend six or seven years after college getting your PhD and find yourself in a job market with a 25% chance of finding full-time employment.

What makes things worse are shifts in college administration. In the 2007 recession, budgets got hit hard. A lot of schools had hiring freezes and did not hold searches to replace any faculty who retired for some years after that. To cover coursework, they hired adjuncts instead. If you're not familiar with the phenomenon, an adjunct is part-time faculty that gets hired a la carte, typically for $2500-3000 per course. The idea was originally that it's a way for a grad student or an outside specialist to come in and teach a class. The recession is theoretically over, but there are so many un- or underemployed PhDs out there that many schools have continued hiring adjuncts rather than creating proper tenure-track professorships. Union rules say that anyone who teaches three or more courses per semester is full-time and gets benefits, so most schools cap an adjunct's course load at two courses. That limits an adjunct's income to a whopping $12,000 a year with no benefits. Of course, you can teach classes at multiple schools and try to increase that, which means lots of commuting and lots of hustling every term to find work for the following term. You wind up not getting much research done, which makes you a weaker applicant in next year's tenure-track hiring cycle, which leaves you no option but to keep adjuncting permanently. It's a grim circle.

I guess the point of all this is that history (and I assume anthropology is similar) is not a field to go to because you find it kinda fun and interesting. Examine yourself very seriously on this point. It's not a competitive job market, it's a massacre. ONLY go into it if you are so passionate about it that it would kill you to do anything else.

The good news, if you decide to proceed, is that you're thinking of it early and can start preparing yourself from the beginning of your undergrad studies. I didn't figure out it was what I wanted to do till late; my friends who have been more successful than I in History and Classics were already dedicated to it from undergrad. If you want to do anything other than American history, languages are key, and it looks like you know that, which is good. German and Latin are the two you want to focus on. Stuff like Old Norse or Old English you can add later; both are basically Germanic languages, so if you know German well you'll pick them up without too much difficulty, and both have much less written in them than in Latin, and both were written in contexts where Latin was the dominant language of learning and writing. So even if you decide to go study Vikings or Anglo-Saxons, you'll still be expected to be able to work in Latin. Besides English, most of the relevant scholarship is written in German or French. Other modern languages are only really necessary to study the history of their respective countries (e.g. you'd need Spanish to study medieval Spain, but if you're studying Vikings there isn't much important scholarship published in Spanish).

One piece of advice: the trend lately has been to hire for "world history." It's kind of ridiculous - nobody can specialize in the history of the entire world - but what's really going on is that school administrations are trying to kill two birds with one stone. They want someone who can teach medieval Europe AND the Muslim Middle East or T'ang China or something. So if you can pick up a non-western language like Arabic or Chinese, or some relevant coursework, so much the better.

Finally: network, and mentors. Besides having languages and relevant coursework, a lot of what will determine your success or failure will be who knows you and who's pulling for you. It's usually the disciple who picks the master, not vice versa; whatever field you go into (whether it's history or not), go to your professors outside of class, get to know them, ask about their research, ask for their advice on your career, all that stuff. Be the student that everybody in the department knows. If there are outside speakers coming to campus, or conferences with undergrad sessions, go to them and participate actively. When it comes time to apply for doctoral programs (and later on, jobs), there's a difference between a perfunctory letter saying "HeavyAxe was a very good student" and one that says "Let me tell you about all the amazing things HeavyAxe has done and why he's the most promising historian we've taught..."

That was long-winded, but I hope it's helpful.
 
Unless you are talented enough to write bestsellers or compose top 40 hits, most career choices will involve compromise of one or more of your wants, principles, etc.

That said, as a military officer, with the exception of being blown to bits in combat, is a fairly simple way to put in 20 years with a decent retirement on the back end. Not everyone car retire at 40 with enough benefits to do whatever (within reason) they want without worry about income, medical care, etc. While you are in, turn your repressed creativity to historical research and turn that into books on periods of history that interest you. You might be surprised at how many history writers are current and former military people.

The trick to military service is to know your place in the food chain and exploit it for all it's worth. There is a certain amount of the good 'ole boy network involved in moving up the ranks, but that's just part of the game so be prepared to become a part of that system and use it to your advantage because if career is the goal, then finishing as high as possible should be the imperative One very positive thing for someone with an open mind in military service is you will be in a tiny minority and played correctly can lead to a fast track to the top, and also provide very lucrative post service job opportunities as a consultant, contract administrator, etc.

I kinda wanted to be a biologist growing up, but in the end I realized to make any significant contribution in that field involved living in remote areas for years, sexing ants or something equally as sacrificial and tedious.
 
I can't add anything about the history track, but if you are considering anthropology but are unsure if academia is for you, I'd suggest considering sociology instead. Anthropology's primary research method is the ethnography, which will probably be the major focus of your research core courses. A sociology research core should train you equally in quantitative and qualitative methods (including ethnography, grounded theory, phenomenology, etc.). The point I'm getting at is that background will qualify you for much more outside of academia, including policy analysis, program evaluation, nonprofit administration, organizational development, government positions, etc.
 
I am a historian and in academia, and this is a bittersweet post for me to read. On the one hand, it's great to see bright young people recognize the value of history. On the other hand, I feel obligated to give you a realistic sense of what you're up against.

In North America, college history positions get hired on an annual cycle. Most jobs get posted at the end of the summer or early fall, and you submit your applications between September and November. The hiring committees sift through all the applications and pick a dozen or two to interview, usually at the AHA Annual Meeting right after New Years; based on that, typically 3 or 4 get invited to a campus visit (typically in February or so) and then, of course, just one gets hired in March or April, who will take the position for the following Fall semester. There is also a second wave of Spring postings, mostly lower-ranking schools and temporary positions. For one slot, a committee typically gets at least a hundred applications. Of course, it's more or less the same hundred people applying for all the jobs available in a given specialization, but in any given specialization there are typically maybe 25-35 positions opened each year (in all of North America). Bottom line; in history, you can spend six or seven years after college getting your PhD and find yourself in a job market with a 25% chance of finding full-time employment.

What makes things worse are shifts in college administration. In the 2007 recession, budgets got hit hard. A lot of schools had hiring freezes and did not hold searches to replace any faculty who retired for some years after that. To cover coursework, they hired adjuncts instead. If you're not familiar with the phenomenon, an adjunct is part-time faculty that gets hired a la carte, typically for $2500-3000 per course. The idea was originally that it's a way for a grad student or an outside specialist to come in and teach a class. The recession is theoretically over, but there are so many un- or underemployed PhDs out there that many schools have continued hiring adjuncts rather than creating proper tenure-track professorships. Union rules say that anyone who teaches three or more courses per semester is full-time and gets benefits, so most schools cap an adjunct's course load at two courses. That limits an adjunct's income to a whopping $12,000 a year with no benefits. Of course, you can teach classes at multiple schools and try to increase that, which means lots of commuting and lots of hustling every term to find work for the following term. You wind up not getting much research done, which makes you a weaker applicant in next year's tenure-track hiring cycle, which leaves you no option but to keep adjuncting permanently. It's a grim circle.

I guess the point of all this is that history (and I assume anthropology is similar) is not a field to go to because you find it kinda fun and interesting. Examine yourself very seriously on this point. It's not a competitive job market, it's a massacre. ONLY go into it if you are so passionate about it that it would kill you to do anything else.

The good news, if you decide to proceed, is that you're thinking of it early and can start preparing yourself from the beginning of your undergrad studies. I didn't figure out it was what I wanted to do till late; my friends who have been more successful than I in History and Classics were already dedicated to it from undergrad. If you want to do anything other than American history, languages are key, and it looks like you know that, which is good. German and Latin are the two you want to focus on. Stuff like Old Norse or Old English you can add later; both are basically Germanic languages, so if you know German well you'll pick them up without too much difficulty, and both have much less written in them than in Latin, and both were written in contexts where Latin was the dominant language of learning and writing. So even if you decide to go study Vikings or Anglo-Saxons, you'll still be expected to be able to work in Latin. Besides English, most of the relevant scholarship is written in German or French. Other modern languages are only really necessary to study the history of their respective countries (e.g. you'd need Spanish to study medieval Spain, but if you're studying Vikings there isn't much important scholarship published in Spanish).

One piece of advice: the trend lately has been to hire for "world history." It's kind of ridiculous - nobody can specialize in the history of the entire world - but what's really going on is that school administrations are trying to kill two birds with one stone. They want someone who can teach medieval Europe AND the Muslim Middle East or T'ang China or something. So if you can pick up a non-western language like Arabic or Chinese, or some relevant coursework, so much the better.

Finally: network, and mentors. Besides having languages and relevant coursework, a lot of what will determine your success or failure will be who knows you and who's pulling for you. It's usually the disciple who picks the master, not vice versa; whatever field you go into (whether it's history or not), go to your professors outside of class, get to know them, ask about their research, ask for their advice on your career, all that stuff. Be the student that everybody in the department knows. If there are outside speakers coming to campus, or conferences with undergrad sessions, go to them and participate actively. When it comes time to apply for doctoral programs (and later on, jobs), there's a difference between a perfunctory letter saying "HeavyAxe was a very good student" and one that says "Let me tell you about all the amazing things HeavyAxe has done and why he's the most promising historian we've taught..."

That was long-winded, but I hope it's helpful.
I am very appreciative of that tremendous, and honest reply. It has been rather difficult going to research my desired career and seeing, for the most part, negatives and a continuous sea of despair. Regardless, I'll continue to re-evaluate and attempt to cover every aspect that I can in terms of what I want to do and how much I can give. I may have a few questions for you in the future in regards to a history based career in academia. It seems like most sources I've read explain you want to find a specific area (geographically and time wise) to specialize in. I'm assuming there is a lot of truth in this statement, but I just want to hear your opinion.
 
I am very appreciative of that tremendous, and honest reply. It has been rather difficult going to research my desired career and seeing, for the most part, negatives and a continuous sea of despair. Regardless, I'll continue to re-evaluate and attempt to cover every aspect that I can in terms of what I want to do and how much I can give. I may have a few questions for you in the future in regards to a history based career in academia. It seems like most sources I've read explain you want to find a specific area (geographically and time wise) to specialize in. I'm assuming there is a lot of truth in this statement, but I just want to hear your opinion.

Feel free to PM me anytime, or I'll keep watching this thread. As far as specialization goes, for an academic there are two main areas of work; research and teaching. You need to do original research (the dissertation) to get your PhD, and you need to teach to get paid. Research will be very specialized and focused - if you look at my publications, my field is not simply "medieval Europe," it's "Eighth-century Bavaria." I do hope to broaden that in the future if I crack enough time out of the adjuncting cycle to get new work done. Teaching, on the other hand, will be broader. You're teaching western civ surveys about ancient Greece and Mesopotamia and stuff, and whatever else - depending very much on the school. If you get a tenure-track job in a big university with 30 people on the faculty, you won't teach outside your field much, because there are other people to cover other subjects. If you're adjuncting, or in a small school with four people in the department, then you need to be ready to teach darn near anything. I was just offered a course for the state community college system on the history of New England.

Schools vary in how much the emphasize the two sides, in hiring and in your evaluation. Nobody cares about an adjunct's research. When I interviewed at Southeast Oklahoma State University, there wasn't even a research talk included, just teaching a sample class, and you can cover the "research" column in their tenure evaluation process just by subscribing to a journal and attending a conference or two - you don't need to actually present or publish anything. Teaching expectations were four courses per semester. At a research I institution, on the other hand, a person on a job interview will give a presentation on their research and be carefully scrutinized in the Q&A (I've seen some harsh ones), and if hired had better have a book published within five years of starting or they're out - publish or perish. Teaching load was only two courses per semester. In other words, specialization means a lot more in the research-heavy schools but flexibility helps more for the lower-tier schools. The schools that grant PhDs tend to be the research schools and a lot of new professors come out with that mindset, but there are a lot more teaching schools out there (a couple hundred Research I's vs. some 3000 colleges altogether in North America) and thus more jobs.

You're just starting to think about undergrad, so this is all a long way off and you needn't worry too much. Use undergrad to explore different things and figure out what you want to do. When you get to grad school though (if you decide to go that route), pay careful attention to the job market and what kinds of things schools are looking for, and follow any hiring searches that your own school does to see how the process works.
 
Probably a hard gig to get into, but there's also science writing or public engagement.

If you are set on doing biology then a PhD with some level of computer modelling would not be a bad option (proteomics, in silico human modelling, bioinformatics, biomolecular dynamics). Other good sub-fields might plant biology (breeding better crops) or biomechanics, or neuroscience.
 
Well, after reviewing a couple things I'm looking into pursuing a PhD in history or anthropology. I'll likely go with history as I enjoy the thought of being able to pick my own area of study and expertise. Not to mention, advanced math and physics skills don't hold much weight in history! I think I may enrol in a German language course as well as any ancient language (Latin, Old Norse, Old English, etc.) courses I can find. Other than that, I'll just keep doing what I usually do...read books and do my own research. At least I'll be able to keep my flowin' mane if I don't join the military! :hyper:

A PhD in history or anthropology will keep you very busy during the time that you could be working towards a rewarding career. Academia is a dead-end.
 
A PhD in history or anthropology will keep you very busy during the time that you could be working towards a rewarding career. Academia is a dead-end.

Gee, that's not comforting to hear...I have a PhD in Adult Education and I've been in higher ed for 35 years, but I forgot to notice that I was at a dead end. Oh, wait....I'm going to be head of two units that are being combined this summer. Must be a new kind of dead end. Maybe I better go find a productive job busting tires like I did as an undergraduate.
 
Gee, that's not comforting to hear...I have a PhD in Adult Education and I've been in higher ed for 35 years, but I forgot to notice that I was at a dead end. Oh, wait....I'm going to be head of two units that are being combined this summer. Must be a new kind of dead end. Maybe I better go find a productive job busting tires like I did as an undergraduate.

Heck yeah, man:

 
Gee, that's not comforting to hear...I have a PhD in Adult Education and I've been in higher ed for 35 years, but I forgot to notice that I was at a dead end. Oh, wait....I'm going to be head of two units that are being combined this summer. Must be a new kind of dead end. Maybe I better go find a productive job busting tires like I did as an undergraduate.

There is a big difference between someone at the beginning of their academic career and someone at the 35 year mark, wouldn't you agree? I'm sure you have done well, but I have two close relatives with doctorates in anthropology and history, specifically, and 10 years into their careers, they are both extremely disappointed and regretful. Job opportunities are slim, competition is fierce, and they have had to compromise everything to achieve their career stability.

Are you saying that you would encourage someone to go get that doctorate today, or are you taking issue with my post because you've achieved what you wanted? I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, but with a dozen or so friends in higher education (late-30's-late-40's) my Facebook feed is constantly cycling through articles about how academic careers are not what they used to be.
 
Gee, that's not comforting to hear...I have a PhD in Adult Education and I've been in higher ed for 35 years, but I forgot to notice that I was at a dead end. Oh, wait....I'm going to be head of two units that are being combined this summer. Must be a new kind of dead end. Maybe I better go find a productive job busting tires like I did as an undergraduate.

But I'm sure you're aware that in a lot of fields, the prospects for new-minted PhDs today are not what they were 35 years ago.

I wouldn't call academia a "dead end" - it's a great career for those who make it to tenure-track jobs. But I'm starting to feel like that's gotten close to planning on being a rock star or professional athlete for a career. Long odds of making it.
 
You and I know that it IS very tough to get a good position (read: tenured and paid decently) in many fields. But there's a lot going on at a college or university outside the classroom that nevertheless becomes more accessible with a PhD. My fields are broadcasting and adult education, which led to a career in a growing field, instructional technology. If you wanna join the fraternity, you gotta earn the badge. Just make sure that it's worth the work before you go down that path.

Are you saying that you would encourage someone to go get that doctorate today, or are you taking issue with my post because you've achieved what you wanted? I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, but with a dozen or so friends in higher education (late-30's-late-40's) my Facebook feed is constantly cycling through articles about how academic careers are not what they used to be.

No, you're very realistic. I would encourage someone to go for a PhD only if they could see a direct connection to the career path they want - and it needs to be a realistic, achievable career path. Doctorates in the humanities often return less for the investment of time and money than doctorates in other fields. And just about the only reason to get a PhD is if you plan on a career at a college or university.