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Cepheid 5: Ripthorn Builds a Bass

I'll be placing the bridge on my project soon, so I'm glad this came up. I've got a 34" scale so my understanding is that the G string saddle wants to be right at scale length (so 17" from the 12th fret) and the others will be slightly longer. I've got a hipshot kickass bridge with a fair amount of adjustment room. I was gonna put the G string saddle almost all the way forward (figure I can leave an 1/8" or so extra just in case) and align that to scale.

Am I thinking correctly?
 
That’ll work. I would put the G string saddle at 17.045” from the twelfth fret, but 17” is close enough.... :cool:

Edit: To be pedantically clear, that’s the location of the string witness point on the saddle, not the leading edge of the saddle, or the center of the saddle, or ...
 
So I was always told that the intonation is the scale length plus the amount of thickness of the given string subtracted from the thickness of the next higher string. So in the case of the low B it would be the thickness of the B string minus the thickness of the E string. Which is why every set of strings intonates differently, because in reality they are never exactly the thickness the package says. But I would think that math could get you in the ballpark, right?

Unless I'm just way off here. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Maybe that's the theory, but in reality things are rarely that exact. I have one set of strings that the 3rd string (A) is longer than the top string (E). I tend to mount the bridge such that the fully lengthened saddles are a few mm shorter than the scale length, and then allow the to retract to something like the scale length + 10+ mm (whatever the saddle travel allows).
 
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Thanks for info, guys!

Friday I pulled the neck out of clamps, trimmed the neck down to the fretboard, and then rounded over the sharp neck corners so that they will fit in a nice neck pocket:

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I then marked out where I wanted the neck bolts, drilled for ferrules, and then drilled for threaded inserts in the neck:

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And installed:

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I'm using zinc plated steel hex drive inserts with knife edges, #10-24 thread. I drilled 23/64" for the inserts, as anything smaller would crack the neck heel. That is where I left the neck, but I also used it for routing the neck pocket. This was an operation that was done in conjunction with locating the bridges, since I wanted them located near the back of the body, but not so much that full adjustment would cause them to impinge on the roundover. No pictures, as I was very in the zone. Once I got that figured out, I started mounting the bridges. To make sure that they were located correctly, I did a couple of things:

1. Locate the low B bridge first. This is to make sure that the fat string doesn't fall off the edge of the fretboard.
2. Make sure the bridge is running parallel to the center line
3. Make a jig that has holes for marking the screw locations and a larger center hole for sighting in the actual saddle location
4. Locate the G string saddle and use a spacer to make sure it is parallel to the B string saddle
5. Take the thickness of spacer from 4, and divide it into four parts for the remaining string spacing
6. Use a shim to ensure consistent bridge-to-bridge spacing. I ended up using a 1/32" shim, for a final string spacing of .656", or just shy of 17mm. Narrow by bass standards, but for a guitarist, it will still be plenty wide :)

Here is a photo of the jig and spacer in action:

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With the stressful/critical operations completed, I moved on to the contouring of the body. I used a flap disc on an angle grinder to rough in the main bevel, so as not to use a coarse rasp through the aluminum. I did it in stages so as not to overheat the aluminum or the epoxy. I used my rasps and Iwasaki files to refine, and then sandpaper and sanding blocks (and a bunch of time!) to get it dialed in. I have to say, for all the problems the aluminum gave me, this is where the payoff kicks in:

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It's subtle, but super classy. It will also tie in super well with the aluminum bridges, aluminum knobs that I will make, and the satin chrome ultra lites. I'm super stoked. The body is all sanded to at least 100 grit, with some surfaces higher than that. Now I have two parallel paths that need to be worked on. First is the neck. I need to thin it down and carve it (thing is a heavy beast right now!), inlay it, fret it, etc.

Second path is the pickups. I'm winding my own. I'm going to do jazz bass style pickups with A5 magnets, but on a 15 degree slant. This necessitates wider pole spacing, so I will make bobbins. I've already drawn up what the pole spacing needs to be for both neck and bridge pickups. I will also make birdseye maple covers that will mount like P90 pickups with two screws located between pole pieces. It will be a little bit of a tight squeeze, but a longer pickup cover with screws at the end will look out of proportion to the body. I've ordered my magnets and eyelets, I've got wire, I'll make bobbins and covers, and I'll wax pot them into the covers. I need to get them all made before I route for pickups.

I suppose I can also drill and route for my control cavity. I'm going to go passive on this guy, with a volume, blend, and tone. Pretty simple, as any tone shaping will be done elsewhere. Cavity cover will be aluminum, to keep with the theme and to provide some shielding.

With all this progress, it's a legit BSO (bass-shaped object)! Onward and upward!
 
Thanks for info, guys!
With the stressful/critical operations completed, I moved on to the contouring of the body. I used a flap disc on an angle grinder to rough in the main bevel, so as not to use a coarse rasp through the aluminum. I did it in stages so as not to overheat the aluminum or the epoxy. I used my rasps and Iwasaki files to refine, and then sandpaper and sanding blocks (and a bunch of time!) to get it dialed in. I have to say, for all the problems the aluminum gave me, this is where the payoff kicks in:

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That aluminum layer looks amazing! Glad you figured out how to make it work.
 
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All of my shop time yesterday was spent working on my CNC machine. It needed some massive cleanup after the bridge making. I also took the opportunity to lubricate the ways and lead screws, I also found the source of excess backlash in the Y axis and got that resolved. Then I tested my 12th fret inlay program. It looks good, so with any luck, I'll route the inlay in the fretboard today.

I do want to solicit the opinion of the hive mind. I'm thinking about control knobs. My top two options right now are solid aluminum or natural birdseye maple with an aluminum accent. Keep in mind the body top will be dyed blue. So what do you think would go better? I'm kind of leaning towards birdseye with aluminum, but I'm interested to hear what you think.
 
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All of my shop time yesterday was spent working on my CNC machine. It needed some massive cleanup after the bridge making. I also took the opportunity to lubricate the ways and lead screws, I also found the source of excess backlash in the Y axis and got that resolved. Then I tested my 12th fret inlay program. It looks good, so with any luck, I'll route the inlay in the fretboard today.

I do want to solicit the opinion of the hive mind. I'm thinking about control knobs. My top two options right now are solid aluminum or natural birdseye maple with an aluminum accent. Keep in mind the body top will be dyed blue. So what do you think would go better? I'm kind of leaning towards birdseye with aluminum, but I'm interested to hear what you think.

what about “aluminum with a maple accent”, instead of the other way around ?
 
All of my shop time yesterday was spent working on my CNC machine. It needed some massive cleanup after the bridge making. I also took the opportunity to lubricate the ways and lead screws, I also found the source of excess backlash in the Y axis and got that resolved. Then I tested my 12th fret inlay program. It looks good, so with any luck, I'll route the inlay in the fretboard today.

I do want to solicit the opinion of the hive mind. I'm thinking about control knobs. My top two options right now are solid aluminum or natural birdseye maple with an aluminum accent. Keep in mind the body top will be dyed blue. So what do you think would go better? I'm kind of leaning towards birdseye with aluminum, but I'm interested to hear what you think.

I guess it all comes down to whether the knobs are supposed to blend in with the top or stand out. Since aluminum is the unique thing about this bass I would vote for aluminum knobs to show them off.
 
Seems like it would be easier to do aluminum with a wood inlay than wood with an aluminum inlay. At least with the aluminum knobs you could machine them in two parts so the "cap" threads onto the "'base" and then just leave a small inset ring between the two halves and sandwich a wood ring when you screw the two halves together. I can see it in my mind, but maybe not describe it best. ;)
 
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I hadn't thought about aluminum with the wood inlaid. I'll try a prototype and see how it comes out. That is a really interesting idea...


I thought it would be a really cool way to accent the instrument, tie it all together. Cherry on top, if you will.

This might give you some ideas, would be easy enough to do a two piece knob with the wood insert


Just would take a little bit of planning.
 
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I was finally ready for the next big step: inlay. I started off with my 12th fret inlay in the CNC machine. I started off by indicating in the center line to make sure that the axis of the neck was aligned with the axes of the machine. I used a guide block so that I could then double stick tape the neck down. Here we are in action:

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After that, I marked out the face and side dot locations, drilled 1/4" holes for face dots and 3/32" holes for side dots. I spaced them such that the face dots *should* fall directly between the B and E strings. Accounting for the string spread was a tiny bit tricky, but once I started writing down the math, it was much clearer. Showing my work for the win! With the drilled holes, I super glued in aluminum tubing and cut close to the surface, purposely leaving about 1/32"-1/16" proud:

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After that, it was time to mix up some casting resin, mix in a tiny amount of blue pigment powder, and a tiny amount of silver powder to create a pearlescent effect. Since I wanted to ensure precise 1:1 mixing, I mixed up more than I needed. With the extra, I drilled some holes in scrap, waxed them, and poured in the remainder for blanks for knobs or something. We'll see if it worked out after a couple days' curing.

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Up next is getting the headstock drilled for tuners and get the back sanded and dealt with. I also need knob prototypes and I need to thin about .2" off the back of the neck before carving.
 
Yesterday was productive. I got the side dots in and then turned to shaping the neck. It was pretty heavy, so I weighed it before shaping and it clocked in at 1360g. After shaping, it was 1060g, so I knocked off quite a good bit of weight. The bocotes is hard, heavy, and coarse textured, but the grain pattern when carving a curved surface is worth it:

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Because I've never carved a 5 string bass neck before, it took me longer than usual. The thickness to width ratio is very different from a guitar, so the "optimal" shape is very different. I struggled with the shape of the shoulders, but I got to the above point in about 90 minutes or so using rasps and finishing up with 100 grit paper. I'm rather pleased with it.

I also played around with dye strength. I want a nice, strong transparent blue finished with some low gloss oil and paste wax. This test piece actually has 9 different configurations. The strongest one to the bottom left is what I will shoot for. Of course, I still have pickups to wind and covers to make for them along with the rear cavity routing before I can do the finishing...

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