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Double Bass Col Legno

What do you hit the string with when you play (e.g.) Mars from The Planets?


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We're playing The Planets next month. It's been quite a while since I performed it last and I probably didn't own a bow as nice as the one I'm using now at the time. I vaguely recall having been at a sectional in youth orchestra 30+ years ago and the guest coach, a bassist with the local professional symphony orchestra, said effectively, "We all just use our fancy bows and go to town". I have also considered going all Renaud Garcia-Fons and using the hair at the tip, which would probably be almost as percussive and almost as loud.
 
I’ve been reading up on this a bit. It seems reasonable to think about what you can tolerate as far as any cosmetic effect on the stick of your bow, and what your future plans might be for that bow.
The consensus seems to be that you won’t affect the function of the bow, but it will leave a cosmetic effect.
More than a few players raise the point
(pun intended) that damage to the tip
is of more concern, be it ivory, or some
expensive substitute. Many pros have a few good bows and don’t have to use their very best.
Maybe you can invest in a reasonable
quality carbon fiber one before the first rehearsal and just use your good bow
for the concert, part of the concert, or
not at all.
 
I do have a cheaper bow, but I'd like to use my good bow for the rest of the concert ideally, so I'd need a place to stash the beater. I am anti-quiver, so I'll need to find another place to set up a col legno stick.
K&M makes a stand mounted bow holder. It's available at Gollihur.

 
As with most things, it's situational.

If the passage is relatively soft, I'll just use the wood of the my very expensive antique bow. I'd like to think I have a pretty good idea of what I can get away with (force-wise) without damaging anything or leaving a mark.

If the passage is louder–and it affords me the time-I'll flip the bow around and do the tapping with the button. Sometimes I'll just smack the string against the fingerboard with my hand. Sometimes the sound the composer really wants is the "clack" of the string against wood, anyway.

If it's just a huge loud passage where a million things are going on at once and it's almost more visual noise than anything else (e.g., the Carl Ruggles piece I played over the summer), I just mime it. Haven't been called out on it once, and even had a composer commend me on my nous after a concert.

I don't have a beater bow, per se, but I do have a modern bow where I'd be less heartbroken (and financially ruined) would it be damaged and I do sometimes use it for programs with more, let's say, robust passages.

Any passages that require truly aggressive, forceful smacking of the strings with the wood of the bow I quite simply do not do with my bow. This is what drumsticks are for. I encounter this far less than I used to, but on the odd occasion that I find myself in a student composer reading session these days it does happen from time to time.

I don't have a carbon fiber bow anymore, but they certainly are a good bit more durable than wood. That being said, "more durable" does not mean "indestructible." The only bow I've ever broken was, in fact, one made of carbon fiber (a Robertsons-stamped Carbow). That was the day I learned that carbon fiber does not crack, but rather it shatters.
 
I keep a beater bow on hand for such things. It comes up very often in my daily work. Soft tapping won’t hurt anything, but aggressive col legno always carries a risk of permanent damage. I’ve broken three or four bows already. It’s easier than you think.

If I want to switch between that and something better, I have a little tray table attached to the stand and/or a bow hook.

I also have the beater bow regularly rehaired just as well as my good bows. No reason for the thing to feel and sound worse than it already does.
 
I'm doing "Mars" in a couple of weeks and I'm at the stage where I'm just going to cheat and let the other string sections beat up their bows. It's a higher frequency sound anyway, so the lighter bows will give a better tone.(:

It is true that the highest col legno dynamic marked is mf, so you don't have to "go to town" on it, so I may just play it gently.
 
I keep a beater bow on hand for such things. It comes up very often in my daily work. Soft tapping won’t hurt anything, but aggressive col legno always carries a risk of permanent damage. I’ve broken three or four bows already. It’s easier than you think.

If I want to switch between that and something better, I have a little tray table attached to the stand and/or a bow hook.

I also have the beater bow regularly rehaired just as well as my good bows. No reason for the thing to feel and sound worse than it already does.

The tray/hook is not a bad idea. I like the security of the hook, but a tray has the advantage of letting me keep rosin, etc, at close reach, and I feel like I already bring too much to rehearsals, so I don't get to have both a tray and a hook.
 
I used a lower end bow for nearly 25 years and the hole in the tip wore out from too many rehairs - i went very hard on it. After that I decided to get a nice bow and do whatever I need to to it. I still haven't found one, though! I happened onto a nice, cheap, bouncy & balanced heavy snakewood bow and cheap, light, bouncy & balanced carbon bow - I haven't found anything I like enough to replace either. Still, no matter what I get I will do what I need to do with it.
 
I’ve played this a few dozen times and have always used my good bow. The figure goes from piano to mf before it hits naturale. With 10 basses and 16-18 cellos, it doesn’t take much to hit those dynamics. You don’t have to hit hard. Nothing has ever happened with mars or the death of tybalt or any other col Legno passage I’ve played
 
I just commented this before I read this. Yes it’s mf then immediate dim. With a full cadre of cellos and basses playing. You definitely don’t need to wack it as hard as you think
We don't have nearly that many players in either section, especially basses. It would be great if we did. I don't even want to have us divide in half for that part of Mars. Our conductor tries mightily to balance the brass with a smaller string section, but it is what it is.
 
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We don't have nearly that many players in either section, especially basses. It would be great if we did. I don't even want to have us divide in half for that part of Mars. Our conductor tries mightily to balance the brass with a smaller string section, but it is what it is.
I played this for money most of the times I did so full symphonies. Expanded even, as Holst asked
 
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