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Comping during a drum solo and...

Man, some of these comments are baffling. Stop playing because the drummer is playing interesting stuff? Seriously?! Yeah, I'm sure Dennis Chambers would love it if the band just quit the gig in the middle of his solo.

Your job is to hold it together no matter where he goes. He's counting on you to be the groove Sherpa and lead everyone through the form, time, and rhythm while he goes off the beaten path. Just like he does for your solos, even if you play silly stuff and rely on him to keep time while you meander through your own rhythmic ideas.

If you can't hold it together then you have identified something you need to work on, and that's a good thing! Start with serious metronome practice. Play your scales, exercises, and grooves along to the click. If you have trouble keeping it steady then record yourself so you can listen back and identify where you are getting lost. Normally, a drum machine or loop is a good practice tool, but in this case you need to establish your own sense of time without the drummer holding your hand.

You can work on your sixteenth note subdivisions in the same way. Set the metronome slow and play the 1, then whatever accent you are trying to lock in your brain. I'd cycle playing 1 and the "a" of 1, then 1 and the "a" of 2, and so on, cycling through them one at a time to really get familiar with how each note placement feels in relation to the 1. Each one has a unique flavor, once you get that in your head it's a lot easier to identify because you can feel it rather than having to count it.

Lastly, if you have a good report with the drummer you can always talk things through. Ask for a hit or accent on the downbeat when things get gnarly, or see if you can adjust your part to stabs that other band members can join you on, so you have some backup and a visual cue from them. When I'd play with drummers who could take "out" solos I'd often stand close to the guitarist and we'd tap our feet and watch each other to ground one another as the drummer got further away from the pulse.
 
Man, some of these comments are baffling. Stop playing because the drummer is playing interesting stuff? Seriously?! Yeah, I'm sure Dennis Chambers would love it if the band just quit the gig in the middle of his solo.

Your job is to hold it together no matter where he goes. He's counting on you to be the groove Sherpa and lead everyone through the form, time, and rhythm while he goes off the beaten path. Just like he does for your solos, even if you play silly stuff and rely on him to keep time while you meander through your own rhythmic ideas.

If you can't hold it together then you have identified something you need to work on, and that's a good thing! Start with serious metronome practice. Play your scales, exercises, and grooves along to the click. If you have trouble keeping it steady then record yourself so you can listen back and identify where you are getting lost. Normally, a drum machine or loop is a good practice tool, but in this case you need to establish your own sense of time without the drummer holding your hand.

You can work on your sixteenth note subdivisions in the same way. Set the metronome slow and play the 1, then whatever accent you are trying to lock in your brain. I'd cycle playing 1 and the "a" of 1, then 1 and the "a" of 2, and so on, cycling through them one at a time to really get familiar with how each note placement feels in relation to the 1. Each one has a unique flavor, once you get that in your head it's a lot easier to identify because you can feel it rather than having to count it.

Lastly, if you have a good report with the drummer you can always talk things through. Ask for a hit or accent on the downbeat when things get gnarly, or see if you can adjust your part to stabs that other band members can join you on, so you have some backup and a visual cue from them. When I'd play with drummers who could take "out" solos I'd often stand close to the guitarist and we'd tap our feet and watch each other to ground one another as the drummer got further away from the pulse.
You're assuming that time keeps going through the drum solo. Many times that's not the case. As always, IT DEPENDS.
 
Man, some of these comments are baffling. Stop playing because the drummer is playing interesting stuff? Seriously?! Yeah, I'm sure Dennis Chambers would love it if the band just quit the gig in the middle of his solo.
Sometimes it's the right thing to do, Seen it many time with high caliber players in jazz and jazz fusion. It's not giving up, it is the right thing to do. Dennis is good but he is no Milton Graves or Elvin Jones or De Johnette
 
You're assuming that time keeps going through the drum solo. Many times that's not the case. As always, IT DEPENDS.
How often do you continue to play your part as an accompniest while the song abandons all sense of time and arrangement?

If the drummer is going solo then the OP has no responsibility because he's not playing or keeping time. But if the drummer is going outside while the song is maintaining time and structure then it's absolutely his job to hold it down.
 
How often do you continue to play your part as an accompniest while the song abandons all sense of time and arrangement?

If the drummer is going solo then the OP has no responsibility because he's not playing or keeping time. But if the drummer is going outside while the song is maintaining time and structure then it's absolutely his job to hold it down.
Since OP never came back, we have no idea what he's actually talking about. Is he talking about himself losing the thread when everyone's trading fours over the form of the song; or the DRUMMER losing time when everyone's trading fours; or the drummer taking an extended solo completely out of time, when the song form simply stops; or a long full-song-form solo where time continues, and the OP's losing the thread but the drummer isn't, or a long full-song-form solo where the DRUMMER loses the time when he's supposed to be keeping it; or the OP can't follow the drummer in short half measure fills because OP loses it; or the DRUMMER can't play short half measure fills in time, or, or, or, or, or?

Well, the truth is, we simply don't know from the information presented.

I will say that in a long lifetime of playing with a lot of drummers, I have played with guys who superficially had great technical chops, but in reality they could NOT keep accurate time on anything that wasn't the simplest THUMP WHACK - give 'em a half bar fill, or trade fours, and they simply were UNABLE to come back in on ONE. I have also played wiht a lot of guys who never did anything the least flashy, but by god, ONE was always where it needed to be. And on occasions of blessed memory, I have played with drummers who had lots of flashy chops, kept rock solid time, and used each tool when it was needed, and REFRAINED from using the flashy chops when they weren't called for.

One of the most frustrating experiences I've had was playing lead alto in a big band during a "drummer interregnum", when the MD brought in one of his buddies to play. The MD kept telling us how fabulous this guy was, because he supposedly could do all kinds of subtle stuff; yeah, OK, maybe, but the ONE was freaking never there! He'd play a fill and no one could tell when he was going to finish it. The whole band just got instantly unstable.
 
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I have a super talented drummer that I play with on occasion and when he solos, I'm horrible at keeping time and keeping the groove intact during said performance. Pretty sure I generally rely too much on drummers for timing, so I need help navigating through his chops. Any pointers? Also, and maybe related, I'm not comfortable on the "a" accent. Every other 16th note I'm confident with, but that one gets me. I've been playing for 30 years, so this is somewhat embarassing :) thank you for any input!!
Concentrate on the first and last beat of the measure. Let the drummer split up the remaining time any way he wants/mj
 
I played with a very accomplished drummer who would sometimes go for long stretches without marking the beat. He always knew where he was but liked to try and throw the bass player. The first time he did this was at my audition. He actually said he tried to throw me and I held my own. After that I was always ready for anything. Cases like this force you to not always depend on the drummer to let you know where one is. I started counting half-time especially on very fast songs when playing with this drummer which reduces the number of beats to keep track of and also helps give the illusion of space which gives you a more relaxed feel.
I saw a show with Dennis Chambers and Gary Grainger. They were backing some Euro fusion guys. Later into the set, DC and GG started messing with each other trying to throw each other off time. They were cracking up.
 
Thank you all for the great input!! What I really need to do is record some of his solos and count along with them so I know how well he stays in time. He's not perfect, and I've heard a beat missed here or there and an occasional tempo discrepancy. My guess is that he's very close to keeping everything in time. I think my best course forward would be to follow JonathanPDX's advice.
 
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