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Counterfeit Dunlop strings or a bad batch?

I just put a set of new Dunlop Standard Series Nickel Wounds, ordered from Amazon and they don't seem quite right. They don't have that 'shine' of new strings, feel super rough compared to my old roundwounds and are leaving black marks on my fingers. They also have that 'oily' smell that's common with cheap online metal products.

Has anyone else experienced something like this with Dunlop, or how to check if the product is genuine?
 
I just put a set of new Dunlop Standard Series Nickel Wounds, ordered from Amazon and they don't seem quite right. They don't have that 'shine' of new strings, feel super rough compared to my old roundwounds and are leaving black marks on my fingers. They also have that 'oily' smell that's common with cheap online metal products.

Has anyone else experienced something like this with Dunlop, or how to check if the product is genuine?
Are the ball ends color-coded, gold-black-silver-gold (E-G)?
 
I’ve had this with DR strings a couple times in the many dozens of sets I’ve purchased. They looked darker and had a different sheen than usual, and both of those happened the last few years. Sounded the same, but it may be worth looking up the supplier on Amazon.

I’ve read that some supply chain issues - particularly during the thick of Covid and since the tariff-craziness of the last year - have impacted things like this. i.e. The specs are on point but the source of metals is different and accounts for some variation in the look. Can’t speak to the accuracy of that, but I try seems like a plausible/possible explanation.
 
If the seller is Amazon, they're probably just old.

If it's a reseller, likely a fake set.

Either way, return them.


"Old?" Strings like that don't really have a BBD. If they were opened and allowed to corrode, I could see that being an issue, but strings that have been in their packaging on a shelf or in a warehouse for a while shouldn't affect the quality. Betting these are either returns/repackage, or fake.
 
I just put a set of new Dunlop Standard Series Nickel Wounds, ordered from Amazon and they don't seem quite right. They don't have that 'shine' of new strings, feel super rough compared to my old roundwounds and are leaving black marks on my fingers. They also have that 'oily' smell that's common with cheap online metal products.

Has anyone else experienced something like this with Dunlop, or how to check if the product is genuine?

Have you tried reaching out to Dunlop?
 
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There were supply disruptions in steel starting in 2017 that I noticed at work, but in summer 2020 some of our other consumables (lubricants, abrasives, fasteners) really went downhill in quality, causing me all kinds of headaches at work. I attribute this to personnel turnover at the production level. The lubricants recovered far more quickly than the other two items I mentioned, because of differences in inventory, distribution, and expense.
A good friend who is the tech at my local music store related to:me that he was having strings break after one or two gigs, sometimes quicker, around the same time. We joked about “COVID strings” then, and still do. The way music accessories are distributed makes me unsurprised that even if production recovered quickly, we could still be using them years later.
I also know that these are more likely “bootleg” rather than “counterfeit”. What’s the difference? They actually roll off the same production line as nice, quality products, but are (or should be) rejected because of production errors. Instead they are stolen, along with packaging materials, and sold on the side. Easy to do with the proliferation of third party sellers, outsourced production, etc.
My father spent many years as a consultant in factory settings and had tons of stories about this sort of thing.

I’ve read that some supply chain issues - particularly during the thick of Covid and since the tariff-craziness of the last year - have impacted things like this. i.e. The specs are on point but the source of metals is different and accounts for some variation in the look. Can’t speak to the accuracy of that, but I try seems like a plausible/possible explanation.
 
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Who was the seller?

If it was being sold by an authorized dealer, they are probably just old. If you bought them from guangzhoutrading or verybeststrings99 then yeah, you probably were scammed.

Only buy things on Amazon that are sold by (not "ships from") Amazon, or sold by a real music store or retailer that you can look up.

Even better, go to the seller's own website and buy direct from them; then they don't have to give the majority of their profit to Amazon.
 
There were supply disruptions in steel starting in 2017 that I noticed at work, but in summer 2020 some of our other consumables (lubricants, abrasives, fasteners) really went downhill in quality, causing me all kinds of headaches at work. I attribute this to personnel turnover at the production level. The lubricants recovered far more quickly than the other two items I mentioned, because of differences in inventory, distribution, and expense.
A good friend who is the tech at my local music store related to:me that he was having strings break after one or two gigs, sometimes quicker, around the same time. We joked about “COVID strings” then, and still do. The way music accessories are distributed makes me unsurprised that even if production recovered quickly, we could still be using them years later.
I also know that these are more likely “bootleg” rather than “counterfeit”. What’s the difference? They actually roll off the same production line as nice, quality products, but are (or should be) rejected because of production errors. Instead they are stolen, along with packaging materials, and sold on the side. Easy to do with the proliferation of third party sellers, outsourced production, etc.
My father spent many years as a consultant in factory settings and had tons of stories about this sort of thing.
I use a Boost every time I think I'm going to get Covid Strings.
 
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I just put a set of new Dunlop Standard Series Nickel Wounds, ordered from Amazon and they don't seem quite right. They don't have that 'shine' of new strings, feel super rough compared to my old roundwounds and are leaving black marks on my fingers. They also have that 'oily' smell that's common with cheap online metal products.

Has anyone else experienced something like this with Dunlop, or how to check if the product is genuine?
I can see profit margin on making fake Les Pauls, and of course I disagree strongly with making guitars intended to fool people into paying 10 times more than they're worth. But... fake strings? Counterfeit strings with what profit margin, and how many people have to be fooled to earn a profit above and beyond the risk of production?

I guess counterfeit strings are possible, but I'm thinking there's something up with the Dunlop strings.
 
But... fake strings? Counterfeit strings with what profit margin, and how many people have to be fooled to earn a profit above and beyond the risk of production?

I guess counterfeit strings are possible, but I'm thinking there's something up with the Dunlop strings.
AliExpress is full of fake strings extremely cheap. Anyone can buy and resell..
 
AliExpress is full of fake strings extremely cheap. Anyone can buy and resell..
A few years back, I bought truly counterfeit D'Addario acoustic guitar strings. The strings had the wrong internal wire, no colored ball ends, and weird packaging. It's so common, D'Addario had a dedicated website describing their products that had been counterfeited. The fakes couldn't even be tuned. Amazon refunded my money.

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I can see profit margin on making fake Les Pauls, and of course I disagree strongly with making guitars intended to fool people into paying 10 times more than they're worth. But... fake strings? Counterfeit strings with what profit margin, and how many people have to be fooled to earn a profit above and beyond the risk of production?

I guess counterfeit strings are possible, but I'm thinking there's something up with the Dunlop strings.
I used to attend the Annual Anti Counterfeiting Conferences for RCMP and Canada Customs officers, put on by Canadian Anti-Counterfeiting Network.

The entire conference hall was filled with tables of counterfeit items, many of which sold for less than a dollar.

Read the reviews of almost any product, and you’ll see Amazon is counterfeit central. That’s why it's the last place from which I buy.
 
I used to attend the Annual Anti Counterfeiting Conferences for RCMP and Canada Customs officers, put on by Canadian Anti-Counterfeiting Network.

The entire conference hall was filled with tables of counterfeit items, many of which sold for less than a dollar.

Read the reviews of almost any product, and you’ll see Amazon is counterfeit central. That’s why it's the last place from which I buy.
That is interesting. Thanks.
 
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