Different types of swing.

[Rev J]

I've been listening to a lot of different subgenres of Hip Hop lately (Lofi, Jazz Hop, Chill Hop, Trip Hop, Neo Soul etc.) and one of the things I find fascinating is "drunk" or drag or Dilla feel. in doing my research I found a couple of videos on different types of swing that I thought was interesting and thought I'd share with you all:





I think it's interesting how machines have effected the modern rhythm section. In the 80's/90's 5 string basses became popular to emulate the new lower notes available on the synth. Now drummers are using odd subdivisions to emulate strangely programmed drums.

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Rev J

 

[Rev J]

Here's another video really exploring this type of groove. It's a little more "Heady" but it makes the point:



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Rev J

 

[Spin Doctor]

I'm definitely into this vibe. I don't really get to play it much, but sometimes when the band goes on a tangent, that feel usually gets in there.

 

[mambo4]

love Adam's explanations.

More about the J Dilla story:

 

[Rev J]

Check this out:



My top 5 hip hop producers/artists in no particular order are Dilla, Madlib, MF DOOM (Madvillain the collab between Madlib and DOOM blew my mind conceptually anyone who will sample Sun Ra and Frank Zappa is A OK in my book and that album showed me that you don't have to pick a lane and stick to it) 9th Wonder and Flying Lotus

Speaking of Lotus:



Lotus and DOOM have also both worked with Thom Yorke from Radiohead:









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Rev J

 

[Lownote38]

This one is just freaked out, man.

 

[Rev J]

I love some Warp/Brainfeeder stuff.

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Rev J

 

[Rev J]

Here's another cool little video:



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Rev J

 

[Groove Master]

Here's another cool little video:



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Rev J

Great stuff. This vid is so informative, thanks !!

Actually this whole thread is packed with gems. I've learn a lot this week and and I'm changing the way I create beats now big time

 

[Rev J]

You're welcome. I've been listening to a lot of this type of stuff for inspiration lately. I just got a used MacBook, Ableton, and a Berklee College of Music Jazz Composition Book. I'm planning on mixing these types of feels with actual jazz composition instead of sampling jazz.

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Rev J

 

[Groove Master]

You're welcome. I've been listening to a lot of this type of stuff for inspiration lately. I just got a used MacBook, Ableton, and a Berklee College of Music Jazz Composition Book. I'm planning on mixing these types of feels with actual jazz composition instead of sampling jazz.

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Rev J

Sounds like a good plan. Good luck and have fun

 

[Mistahbenn]

This is by far the best thread I've seen invented. Here or any other forum. Awesome! Let's start a beats sub genre.

Mistahbenn

 

[Mistahbenn]

Rev j, I too have just got into ableton. It's pretty amazing. Been in cubase for years but fell out of love with it. Be good to chat more about making music here

 

[Rev J]

Sounds like a good plan. Good luck and have fun

Thanks. Right now I'm still in the read the manual state.

This is by far the best thread I've seen invented. Here or any other forum. Awesome! Let's start a beats sub genre.

Mistahbenn

Yeah thanks. A few months ago someone posted a thread about having a hard time playing against this style of drumming.

A few months ago I got on a Lo Fi Hip Hop kick and thought as a musician I could do more interesting things within the genre as I have an understanding that people relying on Chet Baker and Vince Guaraldi samples don't.

I'm at work looking up articles and drum lessons on the style to get a better understanding of it. I also came across this article:

The Dilla Feel, Part I: The History (J Dilla and The Soulquarians)

For me after getting into MF DOOM I watched this couple of videos that really opened my head in terms of concept:





It really blew my head open looking at "source material" or what gets sampled. Playing in bands I always felt like I had to compartmentalize and stay "Genre Correct" and seeing someone sample everything from Frank Zappa, and Sun Ra, to World music, to Herbie Hancock, and various obscure FUnk tracks coexisting really shook me as a bassist and aspiring composer.

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Rev J

 

[Mistahbenn]

Whosampled.com is a great resource. Madlib, J Dilla, mf doin, all amazing..

 

[Rev J]

I've seen a few production videos mention that site. Flying Lotus is definitely an influence.

My overall goal is to do it without samples.

Another trap I want to avoid falling into is programming stuff that musicians can't play. Machines are great because you can get them to play anything and they don't drink all your beer. But humans give character.

My overall goal after I get stuff programmed and recorded is to put together a band to play it. A great example of that is a group from Europe called Abstract Orchestra. They have an album where the orchestrate Dilla tracks for a live group and another where they do half or Madvillain.

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Rev J

 

[Rev J]

Since I mentioned Abstract Orchestra I figured I'd share these:





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Rev J

 

[Rev J]

This is by far the best thread I've seen invented. Here or any other forum. Awesome! Let's start a beats sub genre.

Mistahbenn

This is kinda how it starts. One or two guys get an idea of how to work and it kinda spreads from there. Innovation is cool from an open source perspective because once people see that something can be done it inspires them to do it.

I had a discussion with an aspiring rapper a few years ago about sampling. I essentially asked him why use samples? His response was "Because that is how we do it." It seemed kinda ridiculous to me.

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Rev J