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Direction for a new bassist?

Tomorrow is the day! My Schecter Stiletto Extreme 4-string is coming and boy I can't wait! I've tried to play before (twice) only to stop for various poor reasons. This time around I'm determined to stick to it.

There aren't many "bass" teachers near me. Only electric guitarist's and they appear to be more shredders than groovers. (previous teachers have had me playing/singing in latin and crap that bored me) So i am hoping I can learn online and play things that interest and/or challenge me..not nursery songs..

I see some excellent online courses (Scotts, Talkingbass, Jamplay etc..) and I am unsure about them.. My biggest question is fairly general. But what are essential things I should start learning/practicing/working toward to lay down a good foundation? Like Learning goals! Are there certain scales I should begin with? Or is there a course/channel that truly presents good structure for beginners (soo many different ones idk who to listen to!)

My goals are to be in a band. Rock/metal or even worship at church and to be able to create nasty bass lines/grooves ;)
 
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Few things I can recommend to you. Long time player about 12 years or more (to me at least lol I plan on the rest of my life but I'm still young).

1. Learn the major and minor scales all other scales are based off of these. Since you are starting fresh call out the note names as you do it. This will help you remember where some notes are in terms of being able to call it out and communicate more effectively when playing with others. Start in the first position or in the first four frets then learn the different positions on the neck. There are a number of resources and scottsbasslessons has some amazing amount of content with all of this information if you pay for it.

2. Learn to play songs that catch your ear always be on the lookout for more influence or something that interest you whether it is raw speed, groove, technique, note selection or composition seek it out and learn it. Get guitar pro and upload the tabs for the songs you want to learn and it will play back in real time in tablature and notation with highlighted notes. Go learn from some of the greats like larry graham, Jeff berlin, jaco pastorius, geddy lee, Steve diggorgio, les claypool, boot collins, stee harris, study hamm, victor wooten, marcus miller, jamerson and many others those are just a few and there is a treasure trove of amazing players out there to learn the craft from in terms of learning their material and studying their technique.

3. Jam with other musicians who are better than you this is where you will put your practice to application and also where you will learn a ton about having intelligent musical conversations with people.

4. Try to plan out small goals over time such as learn these few songs, memorize this scale in this many positions things like that. Write these goals down and break it down into weeks or however you think a length of time dedicated practicing those goals will take. Then have fun and try to set limits on yourself such as the first 15 or 20 minutes of playing I am going to run these scales in these positions at this many bpm. Then move on to practicing a song or a technique or whatever.

5. Love your instrument and always have fun while balancing being critical of yourself and what you need to improve on
 
Knee to knee is the best way to learn, however knee to knee with a bass instructor is preferred. The following will get you going on your own.

Get Bass Guitar For Dummies, that book will show you how to hold your bass, how to tune it, how to get noise from it and how to mute some of the rattle our bass makes. Start on page 1 and do not skip pages. The following helped me:

I use this major scale box pattern for everything I do. Here is what it looks like:

Code:
Major scale box showing scale degree numbers and
the root note on the 4th string.
....index....middle..ring...little finger
G~~|---2---|-------|---3---|---4---| 1st string
D~~|---6---|-------|---7---|---8---|
A~~|---3---|---4---|-------|---5---|
E~~|-------|---R---|-------|---2---|4th string

I recommend you start out running your scales up and down the neck using the major scale box. F major scale - put the "R" on the 4th string 1st fret - yes the F major scale awaits you within the box, just run R-2-3-4-5-6-7-8. Notice you got a Bb 4th, because the F major scale has a flat 4th. That's kinda neat!

bass_board_1.png

G major scale put the "R" on the 4th string 3rd fret and the G major scale notes await you. Notice the G major scale has a sharped F. Yep the box put the right notes under your fingers. That was a big wow for me; and is the main reason I think in (visualize) the major scale box pattern. Want a minor G scale? Take the major scale box and flat the 3, 6 & 7 and you have the natural minor G scale. Flatting the 3, 6 & 7 major scale will give you the nature minor scale of that major scale.

I use the ole major scale box and then adjust for natural minor, (b3, b6, b7) or Harmonic minor (B3, B6) or Melodic minor (b3). Yes Dorian is R-2-b3-4-5-6-b7. Learn the "spellings" of the other stuff, but, play it on your major scale box pattern. Don't get hung up on this right now, just wanted to give you an idea what can be done with just one pattern. Here are the major scale locations for....

... A @ the 5th fret, B @ the 7th fret, C @ the 8th fret, D @ the 10th fret and E @ the 12th fret.

Yep do them a zillion times. Why? So your fingers get to moving on the fretboard and your ear starts hearing the good notes from the "bad" notes.

Next is chord tones. When we get with a band we will not be running scale notes up and down the fretboard. We will be playing notes of the active chord. The notes of a chord are found in the box also; see below:
C = R-3-5
Cm = R-b3-5
That's enough for right now, we'll get into the other chords later.
Notice they all have a root and a 5 and then some kind of a 3. Major chords have a natural 3 and minor chords have a flatted 3 or b3.

Right at first get the root-5 going. Songs with 4/4 timing - root on the first beat and the 5th on the 3rd beat. Where is the 5 from your root? Same place all over your fretboard - up a string and over toward the bridge two frets, or if there is a string below your root the 5th will be down a string same fret. All over your fretboard. A root-five bass line is a piece of cake.

So after you get your fingers moving by doing your scales start seeing a chord and your fingers just know where the root and it's 5th are on your fretboard - no matter what root you start with. Yep to the beat of the song - root on the 1st beat and the 5 on the 3rd beat.

Where do I find the root? Good question. If I'm paying from fake chord or chord charts I find my C chord in first position - which is the first 4 frets of your fretboard. Everything you will need is in that four fret area. Once I've found my root - where is the 5th? Yep up a string and over two frets or down a string same fret.

Here is a chord chart on an easy song:
Pink Floyd - Another Brick In The Wall (Chords)
Since you are doing R-5 treat that Dm chord as a D right now - we can get into minor chords later. See what you can do with Another Brick In The Wall. For grins on the Dm do a R-b3 instead of a R-5. The b3 is one fret back toward the nut from the 3.

video, pink floyd, another brick in the wall - Bing
Start with just roots and when that flows add the 5th.

After that flows come up for some air and we will go a little deeper.

Have fun.
 
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I'm also just at the beginning! So far I've found the material at studybass.com to be the most useful to the absolute beginner. It has a very structured progression and clear explanations accompanied by relevant exercises. Makes it very easy to stop thinking about what to do next and start playing instead. It starts very slow, so if you're coming in with some former knowledge you might be skipping ahead some. I'm coming from trombone, so I've just been skimming the early theory bits, but I appreciate that Andrew doesn't leave anything out because he's afraid of boring you like most of the other online teachers do (or maybe they do have thorough beginner content behind their paywalls I don't know about?) because I sure needed the most basic basics for everything related to string instruments and bass technique in particular.

He doesn't have as much video content as some of the others (yet, seems like a recent addition to the site, most of his youtube videos were posted this year) but what exists is fantastic. In particular the plucking and fretting technique videos were extremely helpful.

A lot of the other online bass teachers have a ton of content that I'm sure will be incredibly valuable once I have my fingers under control and I know my fretboard, but that I just can't make use of right yet.

I also have the Hal Leonard bass method book by Ed Friedland on the way, since I want something I can sit on a stand with the computer OFF. We'll see how that goes in a week or so when it arrives.
 
The lick at the beginning of this video is the only bass instruction I ever got. I've been winging it for 25 years since. Disclosure: I already knew chords and some scales on guitar. Every bassist should own an acoustic guitar. Either way, Youtube has bass lessons, from beginner to advanced.

 
Hi and welcome to TB. :)

For a teacher, I'd prefer to get a "bass" teacher, though I'm sure there are good guitarists who are also good teachers.

Below are some links which should be helpful. The top one is the "How To Get Started" sticky form Talkbass. In it I offer some advice on technique. I would suggest that you pay close attention to safe technique. If you do, it will help to prevent injury problems later on.

The bottom link is a serious of lesson videos which start VERY basic and build gradually for there.


How to get started?

 
The Hal Leonard Bass Method supplemented by youtube teachers has worked great for me but basically you need to play every day to get better. So the key is to find some program or teacher that makes practice and learning enjoyable so you'll stick with it. If you look at the bass and see an implement of torture and boredom you're less likely to pick it up daily. It seems like many people order books or hire teachers but the don't spend time in the woodshed because they just don't enjoy the woodshed. So I hope you find something that clicks for you. If you're not playing for a living then you're playing for fun so it should be... you know.. fun!
 
Listen and play. Learn songs and play along, find some people to play with!

Do yourself a favor and develop GOOD practice habits. When you are practicing your scales and arpeggios, do them as slowly as it takes to get them right. Speed comes later.

Also, always do them in two octaves. Not one, not weird one and a half patterns. Two octaves, root to root to root. This will help prevent any "no man's land" areas of the neck that linger on as unfamiliar to you. You'll be glad you did later!

Have fun!!
 
I'm also a noob (bought my bass less than 2 months ago). I tried to learn about 15 years ago but I was more into other things. This time I'm fully committed and haven't stopped practicing for a single day.

I also found studybass.com to be great for a beginner. Although it's not perfect, it has been a great complement, especially for the technique and theory. So far, I've been using studybass to practice fingering, intervals (and eventually scales), and using other resources for learning riffs and grooves. I have the FastTrack Bass methods (printed by Hal Leonard) and also play along a YouTube playlist with songs I like. I try to practice at least one hour each day in 15 or 20-minute chunks, but always do a studybass lesson first and later reward myself with a jam session.

I don't think that online lessons could replace a teacher but due to other commitments and expenses I haven't been able to get a teacher, yet.
 
Tomorrow is the day! My Schecter Stiletto Extreme 4-string is coming and boy I can't wait! I've tried to play before (twice) only to stop for various poor reasons. This time around I'm determined to stick to it.

There aren't many "bass" teachers near me. Only electric guitarist's and they appear to be more shredders than groovers. (previous teachers have had me playing/singing in latin and crap that bored me) So i am hoping I can learn online and play things that interest and/or challenge me..not nursery songs..

I see some excellent online courses (Scotts, Talkingbass, Jamplay etc..) and I am unsure about them.. My biggest question is fairly general. But what are essential things I should start learning/practicing/working toward to lay down a good foundation? Like Learning goals! Are there certain scales I should begin with? Or is there a course/channel that truly presents good structure for beginners (soo many different ones idk who to listen to!)

My goals are to be in a band. Rock/metal or even worship at church and to be able to create nasty bass lines/grooves ;)

TalkingBass has a free signup and options for paid lessons.
I just started using the free lessons and it seems like a good way to begin.

IMO, I really would not try to learn bass from a guitar teacher.
The two may look a lot alike, but the similarities in playing fade quickly.
 
IMO, I really would not try to learn bass from a guitar teacher.
The two may look a lot alike, but the similarities in playing fade quickly.
Yeah, when i started out i had teacher who played guitar. She told me nothing about muting, gave me some dumb "rules". She was also against moving thumb from pickup to strings while playing upper strings. I quit that and started doing stuff myself. I know almost no theory (don't follow my steps, that's dumb). If i need scales, i will learn them. Yet i learn stuff by ear and yeah its working well for me.
 
First off, I am an average player at best. I have played in a few different bands - some good, some were awful. Having said that, I would be bored silly if all that I did starting off is going over scales. Divide your time up between the fundamentals and actually learning songs. Ultimateguitar has a gazillion bass tabs on there to choose from.
 
I'm by no means an expert, quite the opposite, I'm still very much a beginner myself, but FWIW here are some thoughts on how to start out:

1. Get a teacher if you can. A good one should tailor the lessons to your specific need. On the other hand, if you get someone who watches you do exercises out of Hal Leonard's Bass Method that would be not as useful... Ultimately a teacher is a resource and should be used as such.

2. Exercises: I really struggled with left-hand technique at first. I found the sort of stretches the left hand has to do difficult in combination with being unsure how hard to fret. Playing scales can really help with that. The major scale as shown above, I'd throw in some pentatonic scales as well as they have some wider stretches. I'd play them along to a metronome, slow at first (quarter notes at 60 BPM or so) to get the notes to sound clean, later you can add eighth notes and triplets and up the speed. I also did some exercises (Bass Technique book I think) where I'd play various fretting patterns, like playing subsequent quarter notes fretting at the 1st string, followed by the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and repeat on all strings. Change up the pattern (go from 1-2-3-4 to 3-4-1-2 for example and throw in open strings, repeat at the 5th and 9th fret).

3. Songs: Pick something simple at first (Enter Sandman comes to mind, or Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult.) Tabs help, but try and play by ear too. I recommend getting some software that lets you slow the music while playing (I use transcribe Seventh String Software - the home of Transcribe! ). Later on you can pick a "project" song--I'm trying my hand on some Zappa for example.
 
Here's what I think is the single most important advice anyone can give you when you are first starting out: Be sure to start at the very beginning, with the most fundamental of the fundamentals --like how to hold the bass (strap length, angle, hand positioning), how to properly fret notes with one hand, and how to properly pluck notes with the other. If you get a teacher, these are the things you will (hopefully) focus on for your first couple of lessons, but if you choose to teach yourself it is all too tempting to skip over such details in your eagerness to start learning how to play songs. If you learn good technique right from the start, everything will be easier later; if you don't, you'll wind up developing bad habits that will eventually limit your ability to improve, will be much harder to un-learn later, and that could potentially lead to injury (such as playing with severely bent wrists).