Do you elevate your cab off the floor?

[JazznFunk]

Thanks for the information. I am going to try with and without my pad and see if I can tell a difference or not.

This - in the end - is all that matters. Experiment. Try it. It may make a difference in the room and on the stage in question. If it doesn't, the worst that has happened is that you put the amp on the pad. The end. Good luck!

 

[Wasnex]

Auralex pads do make a difference. They aren't 'oh my god night and day' different, but I can certainly tell you they work in helping to solve at least part of the equation on SOME stages.

I've also done an experiment without a bass cab at all to demonstrate how they work. With my double bass, I've put it up on the Auralex pad before with the endpin on the pad. If there are any other double bassists on this thread, they will attest to the fact that a big boomy stage with your bass endpin right on it can help to give you a nice little bit of extra projection and bottom from a totally acoustic standpoint, from the mechanical coupling. Put the bass up on the Auralex pad and some of that goes away. You can feel the difference in your feet, and my bandmates noticed a difference out front as well. So calling an Auralex pad 'snake oil' isn't totally correct... but calling an Auralex pad a magic cure-all isn't accurate either.

...a possibility you may not have considered. Placing the bass on the Auralex may be damping the bass vibrations.

I do think their are situations where mechanical coupling between the bass and a resonant floor can help fill out the sound.

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Even if these resonance podiums do not acoustically enhance the low end significantly, they may give the player the perception of enhanced low end. It's sort of like a passive tactile transducer.

Here is an example of an active tactile podium:

These are intended to help people who are not using an amp feel more connected with their sound. It is not intended to actually make the bass louder, although they probably do produce a bit of noise.

 

[JazznFunk]

...a possibility you may not have considered. Placing the bass on the Auralex may be damping the bass vibrations.

I do think their are situations where mechanical coupling between the bass and a resonant floor can help fill out the sound.

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Even if these resonance podiums do not acoustically enhance the low end significantly, they may give the player the perception of enhanced low end. It's sort of like a passive tactile transducer.

Here is an example of an active tactile podium:

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These are intended to help people who are not using an amp feel more connected with their sound. It is not intended to actually make the bass louder, although they probably do produce a bit of noise.

Absolutely agreed. My point was that the Auralex (Baby Gramma specifically) decouples the acoustic bass from a boomy stage in a way that is decidedly noticeable - contrary to the notions that Auralex pads 'don't do anything.' The Auralex allowed me to practice in an old apartment, since I was able to isolate the endpin from the thin floor and not anger my neighbors below me as much.

That mechanical coupling can be WONDERFUL when playing un-amplified, in a setting where any extra acoustic 'bump' to get the bass to sound bigger is actually desirable. Same reason I set up in the corner of some restaurants I play in amp-less to get that added 'bump'. I guess the difference here is that with amps, people are trying to sometimes tighten things up, versus exploiting those phenomena.

 

[Peter - Oregon]

...a possibility you may not have considered. Placing the bass on the Auralex may be damping the bass vibrations.

I do think their are situations where mechanical coupling between the bass and a resonant floor can help fill out the sound.

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Even if these resonance podiums do not acoustically enhance the low end significantly, they may give the player the perception of enhanced low end. It's sort of like a passive tactile transducer.

Here is an example of an active tactile podium:

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These are intended to help people who are not using an amp feel more connected with their sound. It is not intended to actually make the bass louder, although they probably do produce a bit of noise.

Interesting, thank you!

 

[seamonkey]

I'm just pointing out that you'll likely need more tools if you're having real world boomy or lack of bass problems. Pads are no miracle. Raising the cab is not likely to matter until you get 1/4 wavelength up ~7ft for bass frequencies. And/Or Move the cabinet away, or closer to walls.

More on pads
Testing Loudspeaker Isolation Products

Do the water test. Good cabinets hardly shake the water.

 

[Clark Westfield]

I just tilted my 212 with a 12” yoga wedge and it made the cab a bit more focused and tame.

I can totally hear it better.

Used to play with an amp stand, but now it’s packed away in storage.

Not going back

 

[anderbass]

I'm 6'6" tall and have typically needed to elevate most all of my smaller sized bass cabs to hear better note definition while having to stand 1 foot in front of my rig on small tight stages.

Although I've never felt the need to elevate my little Audiokinesis cab, because it has an open format mid-chamber with oval shaped openings on top & sides that allow me to clearly hear my overtones.

 

[Wisebass]

Hi Peter

I decided to put a deposit on a Mesa 215 yesterday

Cool!

One reason I chose the 215 over the 115 is to get the second speaker higher.

That's the TB spirit! (rather a bigger cab than a stand )

If you want to get both of those speakers higher, drive them with your PF50t.

Nothing sounds like a tube amp with a good pair of 15s!

And this cab is a killer!

greetings

wise(b)ass

 

[SOUTH PAW]

Yes, when playing indoors. I used to use an Ampwedge, but now have my cab(s) raised up 16-1/2" on a rolling toolbox. Both of my cabinets fit perfectly on top of it. The 115 GK is very close in footprint size, and the feet on my Warwick 110 line up exactly on either side of the reinforcements on top of the lid. Everything I need to take with me other than my bass, fits in the toolbox. Easy one trip carry that still fits in a Volvo coupe.

I can hear this setup as good as I did when using the Ampwedge, while improving it on a boomy stage/room. I also still like using a Broughton HPF to further control things.

No, when using my two Carvin 112's stacked for outdoor gigs, so I like both options.

 

[fourstringbliss]

Would putting a bass combo amp on casters decouple it from the floor?

 

[fourstringbliss]

Yes, when playing indoors. I used to use an Ampwedge, but now have my cab(s) raised up 16-1/2" on a rolling toolbox. Both of my cabinets fit perfectly on top of it. The 115 GK is very close in footprint size, and the feet on my Warwick 110 line up exactly on either side of the reinforcements on top of the lid. Everything I need to take with me other than my bass, fits in the toolbox. Easy one trip carry that still fits in a Volvo coupe.

I can hear this setup as good as I did when using the Ampwedge, while improving it on a boomy stage/room. I also still like using a Broughton HPF to further control things.

No, when using my two Carvin 112's stacked for outdoor gigs, so I like both options.
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Genius! Does the amp cause the toolbox to rattle?

 

[pepj]

Never thought you need to.
However if your mix is poor, or your bass sound indistinct, you might go this route...
also...if your hearing has deteriorated..??

Mix is number 1 factor, imv. Gtr burying the bass etc..