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Do You Run Wired Bass But Wireless IEM?

drpepper

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I guess pretty much everyone who runs their bass wired and uses IEMs does…I do, but I was thinking about it and wondered why alternatives aren't more readily available and popular.

Myself, I have a wireless unit for my bass but have never personally gotten in the swing of using it. I used it a few times after buying it, and it mostly just sits in my pedal board, unused. I don't run around stages or rooms, so as far as the bass goes, a cable suits me just fine…doesn't require batteries, doesn't have any real potential for interference, and unless there is a mechanical failure, it's never going to drop out.

At no-amp rehearsals, I don't use a wireless pack for my IEMs; I run a 1/8" extension cable to the headphone out of my transmitter in the IEM rack, loop that through the end of my bass strap and plug my ears into that.

In terms of playing out, I wouldn't see two cables as practical/convenient enough to give much consideration to, but since I am already limited in my range of movement by my bass cable, I was thinking that if there were an instrument cable that incorporated a 1/8" extension cable, that would be a tidy solution that would effectively leave me in the same position I am with wireless IEMs but with a completely robust/interference-free, wired IEM signal.

I googled, and sure enough, the cable that I envisioned does exist:

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($26 on Amazon)

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~$50

or

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~$25

So, for ~$50 to $75, I can run my monitor send to my pedal board or head and be up and running (vs. a minimum of ~$500 for a wireless transmitter/receiver).

So that leaves me wondering, is this something that a lot of people do, and I just wasn't aware of it? The fact that only one available cable (that I could find) is exactly the thing I was thinking of seems to indicate that's not the case. There is another (more elaborate) setup, made by Jump Audio, but that's only a total of two solutions. That one costs almost 8 times as much as the simple dual cable, so I'm not very interested.

Does anyone know of other cables like the simple dual cable?

I'm looking at this from multiple perspectives and for multiple purposes. For me, there are clearly going to be situations for me where continuing to use wireless IEMs will simply be the practical, convenient thing to do, simply to not go against the grain and be a PITA. From the perspective of my "personal" PA (a Mackie setup I've been building for a basement practice space and use with one band when we don't hire PA), this is absolutely perfect (I think) and the least costly by far…I was just looking at adding a couple of wedges. In terms of overall effectiveness, keeping a smaller footprint, and cost, buying a few of these beats out powered wedges too.
 
Hey! How's it goin' Dr. I do a mix of all these.
Wired Bass, wireless iem
wireless bass wired iem
wired bass wired iem
wireless bass wireless iem

Depends on a few things... location of the IEM rack etc.

I have looked at building my own breakout box to put at my amp and hang on my hip. We do mono IEM mixes, so I can actually get by with using a standard TRS cable.. use tip for guitar, ring for IEM and sleeve for common ground, and a cheap plastic or metal project box from Radioshack or the like. and some jacks and internal wiring, not much. Could do it really cheap. If you need stereo IEMs then the TRRS cables get pricey or you need to go XLR for the extra pin... and there are more XLR cables at my gigs than TRS ones, that's for sure.

I like the sound of wired IEM much better than our wireless galaxy ( it's ok, but it's all I can afford ). I;m ok with wired or wireless bass. I have a shure that I think is fantastic and can't tell the difference.
 
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I do not mix. I use a Rolls PM-351. It seemed silly to buy a wireless IEM unit when I never planned on running my bass wireless.

The combo cable is definitely more elegant than my solution. I made my own using Monoprice headphone extension cables (the 'designed for mobile' are the best, the 'premium' series is too bulky), Techflex, and self fusing tape. I have a 10' and a 20' for different stage setups.

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Hey! How's it goin' Dr. I do a mix of all these.
Wired Bass, wireless iem
wireless bass wired iem
wired bass wired iem
wireless bass wireless iem

Depends on a few things... location of the IEM rack etc.

I have looked at building my own breakout box to put at my amp and hang on my hip. We do mono IEM mixes, so I can actually get by with using a standard TRS cable.. use tip for guitar, ring for IEM and sleeve for common ground, and a cheap plastic or metal project box from Radioshack or the like. and some jacks and internal wiring, not much. Could do it really cheap. If you need stereo IEMs then the TRRS cables get pricey or you need to go XLR for the extra pin... and there are more XLR cables at my gigs than TRS ones, that's for sure.

I like the sound of wired IEM much better than our wireless galaxy ( it's ok, but it's all I can afford ). I;m ok with wired or wireless bass. I have a shure that I think is fantastic and can't tell the difference.

Hey Scott,

I guess my own PA is really what has me going on this. My band 1 has a DL32 and an in ear rack with wireless transmitters already in place. Band 3's keyboard player is a freelance sound guy who has everything handled for that one. Band 2 is where I'm really looking at this. I've set up a practice room in my basement and put together my own system; a mixer, mains, sub, mics and everything else I need to handle sound on small gigs…except monitoring. One guy has a powered wedged and we can take that a pull together some other tops and flip them on their side, but that aspect seems to thrown-together.

This past weekend, we used my system and had some problems because two of the guys put the Mackie app on their phones. It seems like it might help, but it turns out it's a problem for multiple people to be tweaking "their" wedge mixes on stage. Too much loss of control. After that experience, I don't think it should be done unless it's IEMs. Kind of points out a problem with using wedges in that context.

The way I'm looking at it, we have bass and two guitars, and no one uses wireless, so I can go to IEM for less than $200. That way I don't have to confiscate phones now that that particular toothpaste is out of the tube.

Your breakout box idea sounds great. I'm not looking to "build" anything that requires more than some adhesive backed velcro, ha!

I did pull my G50 off of my board, and I'm getting ready to take pics and put it up in the classifieds. Whatever else I might do, I just don't ever choose to use it.
 
I do not mix. I use a Rolls PM-351. It seemed silly to buy a wireless IEM unit when I never planned on running my bass wireless.

The combo cable is definitely more elegant than my solution. I made my own using Monoprice headphone extension cables (the 'designed for mobile' are the best, the 'premium' series is too bulky), Techflex, and self fusing tape. I have a 10' and a 20' for different stage setups.

Good stuff on rolling your own. I'll have to look up the Rolls PM-351.

I'm not the handiest guy in the world, so I think I'll be happiest with an off the shelf dual cable. I just really wish there were some options on brands and lengths.
 
I use wireless IEM, and wired bass quite often, but I also use wireless (G90) bass when appropriate.
My biggest concern with wired would be mobility about the stage when not actively playing (instrument on the stand) and the possibility of a last minute fail. With the wireless IEM's you know they are alive and well long before you pick up your bass, which is already plugged in and ready to go when you walk onstage.
But other than that the dual cable setup looks like a good solution, perhaps a bit more failure points than I would like, but it would certainly work.
 
I use wireless IEM, and wired bass quite often, but I also use wireless (G90) bass when appropriate.
My biggest concern with wired would be mobility about the stage when not actively playing (instrument on the stand) and the possibility of a last minute fail. With the wireless IEM's you know they are alive and well long before you pick up your bass, which is already plugged in and ready to go when you walk onstage.
But other than that the dual cable setup looks like a good solution, perhaps a bit more failure points than I would like, but it would certainly work.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying and I think it all comes down to matters of context/appropriateness.

If we're going to have 3 people using these cables, there will have to be spares. Beyond that, the issues that could come up and diagnoses of specific problems should be relatively straight-forward and not be what I'd feel are any particular greater risks than anything else.

The potential for issues exists in any setup. There was a time I was playing ampless, we sound checked and I was walking around, standing outside talking to people before we started. As we got on the stage and I brought my pack up, I had no signal. None of the on the spot troubleshooting found the problem (two guys running around switching packs, changing channels, the transmitter "seemed" to check out by plugging headphones into it), and I had to just pull my ears and deal with it. It wasn't figured out until the next day that there had been a bump and the antenna for my transmitter had fallen off inside the rack. Since then, I will always choose to have a cabinet on stage.
 
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Just PLEASE make sure there is a limiter somewhere in there, otherwise you have the possibility of blowing your ears out with the inevitable unexpected spike or pop.

Also, I don't know how active they are these days, but Link Removed made some great stuff.
 
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[Invalid or Expired Link Removed] is what I use until I can afford some decent wireless stuff. It's a fantastic wired solution, single cable, bodypack with volume control, beefy/sturdy construction, etc. I was (instrument) wireless for years before I started using IEMs and loved it but a decent wireless for IEMs is outside my budget right now. While I also don't jump around all that much I absolutely hate stepping on cables and getting them wrapped around things on stage.
 
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I use a wired bass and wireless IEM's... Can't justify the wireless bass system purchase when most my gigs are in smaller places and I have no room to really move .. But less wires is better so I chose the wireless route with in ears... Can't imagine 2 wires coming off me while playing ... One is enough lol... I used wired in ears as a drummer because where the heck am I gonna go with a wireless ??? Lol... I always dabble in the idea of another wireless bass system but I just can't do it ... I've bought 2 on the whim ( both line 6 G50's ) and sold them after realizing I hook it up and don't have room to move anyeays :-)
 
[Invalid or Expired Link Removed] is what I use until I can afford some decent wireless stuff. It's a fantastic wired solution, single cable, bodypack with volume control, beefy/sturdy construction, etc. I was (instrument) wireless for years before I started using IEMs and loved it but a decent wireless for IEMs is outside my budget right now. While I also don't jump around all that much I absolutely hate stepping on cables and getting them wrapped around things on stage.

Cool that you like it, but I can't see the value in the price difference between that and a dual cable an a headphone amp on my pedal board.
 
I zip tied and gorilla taped (probably going to switch it to juat tape soon) a combo cable together. The review i saw on the one you posted say its a cool design but poor quality.

I also use a rolls unit, the one with the limiter on it (safety first) i forget the model # off hand.

One of the sound companies we hire has a full iem rack with senheisser units, for simplicity sake i use this when available (not my batteries). Otherwise im wired completely. Down the line ill probably switch and go completely wireless but keep my combo cable as a backup.
 
The review i saw on the one you posted say its a cool design but poor quality.

I hadn't looked at the reviews. Yes. There are 10; 5 gave it 5 stars, but there are some bothersome comments about the construction. It is such a great (and obvious at the same time) idea, I'm disappointed that there aren't options. Just looking at the pictures, if not for the dual aspect, it's not an instrument cable I'd choose to buy.

I'm going to have to consider making my own too. Good call.

I think I'll still buy one to check it out, but I'm not going to buy extras/back-ups.