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Downgrading from High-End Boutique Basses... Insanity?

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Completely agree.
I actually like this bass so much I was highly tempted to get the 5 string version just like you have, but it would be somewhat of an unnecessary splurge.
Great instruments. Plays way more comfortable than the 635-24 I had. Less than half the price too.
 
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Completely agree.
I actually like this bass so much I was highly tempted to get the 5 string version just like you have, but it would be somewhat of an unnecessary splurge.
Great instruments. Plays way more comfortable than the 635-24 I had. Less than half the price too.

I actually thought about selling my BTB1605 and purchasing the SR5006 lol. The combination of the custom bart's and the Wenge is growly monster. Effortless to play. Nice bass brother.
 
Great thread! I love the comment about getting to the heart of bass with just your 4 string P-bass, or even better, an upright! Then you don't even have the amp to worry about. Just you and your hands. I think one thing that drives the downscale decision is that such GREAT amps and speakers are out there for little money. A Fender P through a GK rig you buy at guitar center will sound great. With great amps and cabs out there you just don't need the Alembics to have a great tone. I have had Modulus, US Lakland, Warwick, Sadowsky, and some others and they were all great basses and if I were rich I would still have em all. But for the session work that I mostly do now I get the most mileage out of my 5 string Frankenfender that just KILLS in the studio and weight about 8.5 lbs. I don't see any reason to ever sell this bass. It has a Sadowsky preamp and slays. My number two for recording and favorite live bass is my stingray which I bought used and is a tone monster. And I finally found a P-v for $750 that should arrive in a few days because I just miss having a passive P and frankly nothing sounds like that and you need that sound if you are going to work in Nashville, and nothing beats a P for live work. Would I like a Zon 5 string fretless and fretted? Sure but I don't NEED em and the tones I can get with my current gear put a smile on my face.
 
Also there was a similar thread within the last couple of weeks.
^ seems like a regularly occurring theme here on TB: is there really anyone on TB who would dispute the fact(?) that production instruments are of ever increasing quality (CAD/CNC)?

after spending 'bazillions' on high end and custom builds in the past: i now spend a few hundred and mod/change out to my liking: cheaper, more fun, and, most importantly: i get what i want!

but: i'm with all the posters who are in the "play what is right for you" group. couldn't be any other way! ('brand snobbery' is a different issue.) ;)
 
As far as I'm concerned, price is not a factor when I choose an instrument.
I play what I like the best and will do whatever is needed to get it, as long as it doesn't get me into a bad debt.
I like $500 basses and $5000 basses too.
+1. Sometimes you have to bite the bullet. There are some instruments with a unique sound and the only way to get it is to spend the $$.
 
I guess I've gone through a similar phase, but I wouldn't call it "downgrading"...just playing what I prefer and what I like. I've played bass guitar for a little over 25 years now and went through the tone-chasing phase of "the more I spend on a bass the nicer it will be and the better it will sound". However, I always ended up going back to 4 string passive basses. They just have the sound and feel that I prefer.

Right now I'm playing a couple of Squiers and a G&L Tribute. I do get some satisfaction about playing an inexpensive bass that also has great tone. I've never had anything major go wrong with an inexpensive bass, but I have had a couple of high end basses that have needed to be sent back to the maker for repair.

It's not about the money for me either. I'm making quite a bit more now than I was 15 years ago when I was buying Roscoe, Sadowsky, MTD, Modulus...

So my only advice would be to play a bass that you like the sound, playability, and quality of, and then buy what you can afford.
 
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Plus there's something jus totally badass when you see a dude slaying an innocent 4 string P bass. (-:
Not needing all the fancy bells and whistles to get the job done...

Agree, and even more importantly, the passive P's and J's work so well with pedals and tubes. So the tonal options are huge. I think of the Pbass as a perfect starting for tone and not always an end game. Although, many times just going straight in is all I need.
 
I think, like many things, people focus way too much on the cost of items. The real test would be if you were just put in a room blindfolded and handed different basses. Not knowing anything about them, you're asked to pick the "best" and which you think cost the most and least. I think you'd be very surprised to find the results. My own personal opinion, you'd have a hard time distinguishing a $6000 bass from a $2000 one. Honestly, I think the insanity lies in spending that kind of money on a bass in the first place!!
 
First, I wouldn't get rid of my high end basses. I enjoy playing them and their sound is unique. I also have three G&Ls (started with one last year) my first venture into passive basses in about 30 years. But if it makes sense to the OP or anyone else, do what make you happy.
Second, after reading all the comments about people downgrading after thefts or other events, I feel compelled to introduce a new concept here on TB. It's called "Insurance." Here's how it works...when something nasty happens to your boutique, or otherwise, bass these nice people will give you money to repair or replace said bass. Then you don't even have to read this thread.
 
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I think the real insanity is going from a $5k bass to a $500 bass... going from boutique to top of the line production models is like trading in your Ferrari for a Beamer... You're still getting a great machine.
Agree 100%. Over the years I've played and owned both ends of the spectrum. I question the sanity, or sincerity, of people that insist there is no difference between a handmade bass and their bottom of the Fender food chain bass. I also do not ever look down on anyone for playing the bass that they can afford. Maybe it's just the crowd that insists they never would spend over a fixed amount of money on a bass, even if they could.
 
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I think Sheryl Crow said it best "If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad"

A lot of the downgrading or upgrading of basses (or any gear) is truly a battle with yourself.

I've enjoyed and played some of the cheapest basses to some of the most uber high end available.
For the most part, I have enjoyed the experience of going through it......and will likely continue on this experience.
Maybe I'm insane for doing this.
 
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Hey guys, I know it's not really insanity and that it all comes down to personal preference and playability. I'm mostly curious to see if any of you guys out there have downgraded from high end boutique basses to lesser, perhaps production instruments. Not for monetary reasons! But for tone, playability and comfort!

Here are my examples:

Thoughts?

No more thoughts than the famous ones out there with signatures: While on tour, what do you think Brian May will think if anything happend to his guitar, which of there are ONE only in the world? Same with Eric Johnsons 1954 strats? That's exactly why they make copies, signature series. If someone stole, or something happend to my Dingwall it would be a chore or majour dough to a) replace it (ask insurance companies what they think!) b) with the exact same model c) to the same price.

Instead of waiting forever (?) for a new Dingwall, I decided to pull the plug on the new fanned fret industry manufactured ones, and bought an LTD instead. It's somewhere between a Dingwall and a Ibanez. I want to

a) put away my bass with a thump, and not having to think twice if I bump it, or dent it.
b) it's a TOOL not a conversation piece, or artwork that hangs on the wall.
c) They do - actually - play and sound the same. Basically.
d) Don't want to guard and treat it like china all of the time.

There are things in which the boutique manufacturers haven't fixed at all anyway. Neck dive, dead spots. I am even that picky so that if I ordered one from Warmoth, AllParst, or USA Custom Guitars, I wouldn't be able to assemble one like it afterwards, again, not exactly the same way. There is more of a chance, that I can go into any music store pick one off the shelf and get a more closer one to the one that I a) lost b) got stolen or else. Eric Johnson, Pat Metheny have stated this in interviews as well as Steve Morse, that they are not that picky and paranoid about something happen to their guitars anymore. They can pull off their tricks just as well. And - the most important thing - sound the same. Chances are that the insurance company will pay something that is easy to attain through normal music stores.

C'mon it's not a Stradivarius. However, there's a caveat to this. "Boutique" basses and we're discussing upright acoustic ones, that surpasses the price of equivalent electrics ten times over. At least. They have to always take care, and few of them can afford more than one at a time. I know one friend of mine, who traveled BY TRAIN only from Sweden to Berlin, just to have his bass fixed, something in the neck that needs to be done every 20 years. Not a neck reset, but something esoteric. By that "luthier" or builder. It costs him some 4.500 USD (yes, no spell error) plus the travel and overnight stay. He still has that bass, he doesn't want to ship it anywhere, unless it "ships" with him too.... ;)

There's so much you can do on your own these days, with a regular stock - industry manufactured - run of a mill bass. You can change out pickups, have it plekked if the frets arent up your alley, re-finish, oiling/was the neck, change out tuners, so in the end it will pretty much turn up something unique. And chances are greater that they're using stock hardware that is easy replacable. Now, with most if Dingwall models, there's no 3rd party replacement pickups that you can replace, due to their rounded design. I still love/like Dingwalls, but as I think they're too precious they're not out "touring" or gigging with me, they're studio ones. Even the Combustion.

There's only so much you can do to any bass. Building it. It's not rocket science. At some point there's not that much you can better it, but dress it up in gold, or doing bling (inlays and stuff) and letting the "carpenters delight" run galore. After a certain point it starts to be something else. Brand name mostly. How about this one then, the TORUN ?
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24 Karat gold, sprayed with and it will flake off in no time. You have to cough up 8.499 USD. They have one too, with ALL of it sprayed in gold plating... guess at which price, and for what purpose? Buck neck dive? buck dead spots? Faraday cage when struck by lightning? ;)

Go figure. At one point it turns to something else. I am all game with those things too. If someone wants to brag they'll brag. Alembic started the whole bag of boutique but today all manufacturers has advanced, stolen, and borrowed ideas from everyone, so it's not so much of a big deal anymore.
 
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