Dual Rail pickups?

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by RareEB5, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. RareEB5

    RareEB5 Guest

    Apr 17, 2012
    Union Grove, AL
    I have an Epiphone EB-5 with Dual Rail pickups. I've never seen pickups like this on a bass. Does anyone else have these kind of pickups? If so, what do you think of them?
     
  2. Ric5

    Ric5 Inactive

    Jan 29, 2008
    Colorado
    I like 5, 8, 10, and 12 string basses
  3. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Inactive Commercial User

    Aug 21, 2008
    Bloomfield, NJ
    Owner, SGD Music Products
    Those are OBL pickups. The real OBL pickups were made by Bill Lawrence; that's the BL in OBL. I think it meant Original Bill Lawrence. That was the company he formed after he left Lawrence Research, which is now Bill Lawrence USA.

    However, after he designed some pickups for Gibson, they started using his OBL name on some cheap knockoff import pickups without his permission. So I don't know which ones you have.

    As far as who makes pickup like that? A lot of soapbars have dual rails, even if you don't see them. All my pickups are made like this, including my Jazzbuckers.
     
  4. 12bass

    12bass

    Jan 2, 2003
    Victoria, Canada
    Hamer used OBLs in their 12-string basses during the late 80s.

    BTW, do you have any pictures of your pickups without the shell? Would be cool to see!
     
  5. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Inactive Commercial User

    Aug 21, 2008
    Bloomfield, NJ
    Owner, SGD Music Products
    Those were the real OBLs.

    I do, but I would have to kill you!

    Seriously though, I don't like to show everything. You have to keep some stuff to yourself, ;) but this is the top of the neo Jazz bucker:

    neojazzbucker.jpg

    And here's the quad coil P bass pickup:

    quad_p_bobbins.jpg
     
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  6. 12bass

    12bass

    Jan 2, 2003
    Victoria, Canada
    Cool! Thanks... I should be ready to start production in a few weeks.... :D
     
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  7. 12bass

    12bass

    Jan 2, 2003
    Victoria, Canada
    BTW, I seem to recall that the OBLs were sidewinders. Is that correct?

    Hamer switched to active EMGs shortly before I ordered my first 12-string. Probably would have preferred the OBLs....
     
  8. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Inactive Commercial User

    Aug 21, 2008
    Bloomfield, NJ
    Owner, SGD Music Products
    The Lawrence L-250 Strat sized pickups are sidewinders. I've never seen any OBLs that were, but it's possible, since that's one of his commonly used pickup types.

    Here's some rail OBLs:
     

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  9. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Inactive Commercial User

    Aug 21, 2008
    Bloomfield, NJ
    Owner, SGD Music Products
    Just found this on Bill's website:

    Bill Lawrence Website

     
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  10. RareEB5

    RareEB5 Guest

    Apr 17, 2012
    Union Grove, AL
    Thanks guys, very informative. I wonder if my bass would be worth trading out the cheap Korean pickups for REAL OBL pickups? What price range are we talking about?
     
  11. Greg Rickords

    Greg Rickords Guest

    Aug 30, 2013
    I have them in my Kramer 5 string. I've never heard of them, but, I like their sound.
     
  12. Greg Rickords

    Greg Rickords Guest

    Aug 30, 2013
    I've also researched and found that they are widely used. Made in USA too. Cant find if they're a sister pickup, but, like I said, good tone (in my opinion)
     
  13. huckleberry1

    huckleberry1 Guest

    Jul 1, 2013
    Mesquite, Texas
    student
    I picked one up used at G.C. and OMG!
     
  14. SteveCS

    SteveCS

    Nov 19, 2014
    Hampshire, UK
    I've an OBL P-style in my fretless and it is awesome... Punch, growl, warmth, bite, low-end boom and top-end clarity, its all there. Blended with a vintage fender J at the bridge it adds bottom without overpowering. A superb passive pup from about 1987/8. If you find a genuine one, get it...

    OBL-P.jpg
     
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  15. Hey Steve, I know it's an old topic but I came across these on Reverb: https://reverb.com/item/40424656-obl-bill-lawrence-l-80-jb-pickup-nos-late-80-s-creme Do you think they are legit?
    I am much interested in dual rail pickups and I especially like their looks. The shop seems to have new old stock P and J (which as far as I know only other similar options are either Joe Barden or Reverend). Would be perfect for my needs.
     
  16. SteveCS

    SteveCS

    Nov 19, 2014
    Hampshire, UK
    They look good to me. IIRC mine came in a similar box. The printing on the underside looks similar to what is on mine. The front logo is right for the West German product. Looks like a nice price too.
     
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  17. Nice! Thanks a lot! Brb buying a set...
     
  18. Uggh my order got cancelled today. They told me that they were already sold out last week and reverb website wasn't updated in time... The run lasted about a few months and there were dozens of them, dozens! Can't believe I was this close and missed it by a few days.
    Before this I was thinking about buying a Dimarzio Split P and ultra Jazz set. I'm probably going to pull the trigger on that now...
     
  19. SteveCS

    SteveCS

    Nov 19, 2014
    Hampshire, UK
    That's a shame, but also suggests that they were indeed the real deal. Instead of DiMarzio, have you thought about the latest incarnation of Bill's pickups:

    https://www.wildepickups.com/
     
  20. I was checking this website but only saw the P46 and J45 though, which seem nice but not are not really what I wanted (that and also shipping from US). I might have missed something because I got a bit confused by the website layout...