Eden 210XST farting?

[Pablo Icecreambar]

So I saw and ad on CL for an Eden 210XT for sale. $375 was the price.. I went to check it out. Plugged my bass (Spector NSCR4) in his head (Carvin B1000), I turn up the bass EQ on my bass, turn up both p/u's, hit the Low E string and "BLLLAFFT!" It bottoms out? ***? This cab should handle the lower frequency of an E string for sure. The gain on the head was at about 50% and the master vol wasn't to loud so I don't understand why the cab would bottom out. Needless to say I did not purchase it. Driving away I thought maybe I should have checked to make sure the head was set for active bass, though I don't think that would have been an issue. The guy said the cab was about 2 yrs old. Are they having some quality control problems at Eden since Marshall bought them? Or did the owner just work the thing to failure?

 

[BigBobbyBass]

What was your eq settings on amp and guitar?

 

[B-string]

The higher the bass boost, the lower the power handling. It is only a 210 cab, I hope you didn't just blow the guy's cab for him. Always start at a low volume and CAREFULLY push the volume up whether it is someone else's cab or your own cab.

 

[Bass_Pounder]

Ummmmm................... a B1000 does NOT have a gain knob.

Hope you did not blow the guys cab due to operator error.

 

[Pablo Icecreambar]

The cab is 8 ohm and handles 500w. The amp will put out 325w with an 8 ohm load. Doubt if I broke his stuff. It didn't blow the speakers or the damage the head in any way. If the bass it's self was pushing too much because it is and active bass with 18db Boost on the bass and treble, then yeah, the signal could of come in pretty hot.

Yes you're right Pounder, no gain, but a drive knob. Either way the drive and volume were not set that high. Perhaps I should've taken some time setting the levels better on his amp. I'm pretty sure they weren't set to 11. I may go back and use my head (Eden WT400). Prob bring my D410T along as well.

Can't say I've ever made my cabs fart like that, even with everything on my bass turned up.

 

[BigBobbyBass]

If you were boosting your bass all the way, you definitely could have damaged the cab. 325 is not peak watts. B-string can explain it much better than I, maybe he will chime in.

 

[B-string]

Boosted bass the cab should be good for 250 watts rms. Any amp is capable of full clean "rms" power with the controls set "low" with a hot enough input. In short you could get 325 watts out of the amp on the low end into a 250 watt cab.
Alway use your bass and amp as you are familiar with how they operate and sound when testing out a cab. If you can't, start out carefully, don't boost and pound as you do not know the equipment's limits. With Eden cabs (and some older Mesa) always start by checking the cones as those 10's are known for cone crease, they do that without "farting". Creased cones need reconing or replacing and you are looking at not much more than an empty cabinet.

On that Carvin you also have to be careful with that "Sub Bass" knob. It is a speaker killer if not careful.

 

[Pablo Icecreambar]

The Eden 210XST is 500 watts RMS, not peak. I did start at a low volume, but turning up the bass EQ on my bass was necessary as that is going to be employed at sometime. I do it all the time with my set up with out any issues. I Am aware of Eden's issue with cone crease which is why I inspected them for that. Seemed to look good.

I'll have to chalk it up to the settings on his amp, since it obviously couldn't be that there was anything wrong with the cab.

Funny, I made Hartke A70 fart a few yeas back, and I was using the the owners 5 string, and at a relatively low volume as well. Go figure.

 

[bobcruz]

The cab's 500 watt rating, like all manufacturers' cab ratings, is the thermal limit at which the voice coil will melt. It has nothing to do with how much power the cab can take before exceeding maximum excursion and "farting." Very few manufacturers provide an excursion spec.

 

[B-string]

bobcruz is absolutely correct. Ratings by most manufacturers are a carryover from HiFi "standards" and not a real world bass instrument rating. Cut that 500 watt rating in half and you should be close to what the cab can take from a bass guitar. Pump 500 watts from the B, E or A string of a bass guitar and the speakers will be damaged before you can mute your strings.