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Educate me - Mixer with IEM capability for bar band - what to get?

One thing I will caution is that by building your own IEM system, you are essentially doubling the amount of setup and teardown required to get you on and off stage, and if you have band members who refuse to make the switch, then you are tripling the setup and teardown time, because not only are you taking the responsibility for monitoring away from the venue engineer(s), if you have some people on IEM and some who aren't, then you have to now interface your IEM rig with the non-IEM monitoring system of the venue, unless you are also bringing your own non-IEM monitoring rig, as well. The more self-contained you can make your system, the better off you will be.

The mention of "Basic NYC bar gigs (right now) - small stages generally" does not say to me that you are a band that is really in a position to take on this problem, just yet. I would suggest to you that you would do well to talk to engineers at the venues you are likely to be playing to get their input. Ask them if other bands are already doing this at their venue, and what the challenges are that they face when bands turn up with their own monitor rigs. Talk to other bands who are already doing this at the level of venues you are currently playing and want to play, and ask them what they are using and the challenges they are facing when they gig with their own monitor rigs.

Above all, do everything you can to not be "that band" that shows up with too much equipment and not enough expertise in using it and in getting on and off stage expeditiously. Very few things are as frustrating as sharing a venue with people who waste everyone else's time and energy. Running a PA system is not something you should do without practice, and you should take practice at the non-performance aspects of the professionalism of being a gigging musician every bit as seriously as you take practice at the craft of being a player of an instrument.

Best of all would be to hire your own dedicated monitoring engineer and treat them like another member of the band, because their success is your success.

Also, I am *not* a big fan of the idea of each musician controlling their own IEM mix via smartphone, unless they are using devices dedicated to stage use without cellular contracts, and not their ordinary communications devices. Telephones don't belong on stage, in my opinion.
 
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One thing I will caution is that by building your own IEM system, you are essentially doubling the amount of setup and teardown required to get you on and off stage, and if you have band members who refuse to make the switch, then you are tripling the setup and teardown time, because not only are you taking the responsibility for monitoring away from the venue engineer(s), if you have some people on IEM and some who aren't, then you have to now interface your IEM rig with the non-IEM monitoring system of the venue, unless you are also bringing your own non-IEM monitoring rig, as well. The more self-contained you can make your system, the better off you will be.

I second this - only do this if the band is 100% bought in.

I basically have the Adam Neely setup that amper mentioned in an earlier post, and have turned everything into modular quick connect linkages, with CAT6a cables carrying all the sound (4 mono channels per CAT cable). But this only works because my band members all know what to do for setup and teardown. Now that everybody knows what they are doing, my 5 piece band can do a self contained setup in well under 30 minutes, but we spent hours practicing this during rehearsals. Nothing is quite as fun as repeatedly setting up and tearing down your gear slowly, because slow is smooth and smooth becomes fast.
 
XR18 will do the job. Nothing better anywhere near the investmwnt level. I still prefer the Soundcraft Ui-24 r however the lack of support from Harmon is not helpful...

We often use an XR18 for 5 mono IEM mixes plus L&R. The XR18 is in a rack that also houses a split snake. When we go to a venue or a festival that has it's own system and engineer, we plug into the split panel and hand off the snake and the i/o map. Otherwise we just plug into the XR18 directly.

A couple of us, including me have the Shure PSM300. I've had great luck with it as an IEM transciever rig. I also took the plunge on custom molds and 64 Audio buds. For me it has been awesome.

I don't really get the comment above about it tking more time and not letting bandmates have the control of their own mixes. That is just strange to me. Each user is limited to his or her own mix. Except for me and for the drummer. He and I can each help adjustthe mix for everyine else should they want the help. Drummer had control of thr main mix. Weird I know but he's even techier than me.

Our rig takes less time to setup and it's solid as a rock. When we are using IEM ... no need for amps. Just pedalboards. My bass has never sounded better to me and of coirse the vocal clarity can't be beat.
 
One thing I will caution is that by building your own IEM system, you are essentially doubling the amount of setup and teardown required to get you on and off stage, and if you have band members who refuse to make the switch, then you are tripling the setup and teardown time, because not only are you taking the responsibility for monitoring away from the venue engineer(s), if you have some people on IEM and some who aren't, then you have to now interface your IEM rig with the non-IEM monitoring system of the venue, unless you are also bringing your own non-IEM monitoring rig, as well. The more self-contained you can make your system, the better off you will be.

The mention of "Basic NYC bar gigs (right now) - small stages generally" does not say to me that you are a band that is really in a position to take on this problem, just yet. I would suggest to you that you would do well to talk to engineers at the venues you are likely to be playing to get their input. Ask them if other bands are already doing this at their venue, and what the challenges are that they face when bands turn up with their own monitor rigs. Talk to other bands who are already doing this at the level of venues you are currently playing and want to play, and ask them what they are using and the challenges they are facing when they gig with their own monitor rigs.

Above all, do everything you can to not be "that band" that shows up with too much equipment and not enough expertise in using it and in getting on and off stage expeditiously. Very few things are as frustrating as sharing a venue with people who waste everyone else's time and energy. Running a PA system is not something you should do without practice, and you should take practice at the non-performance aspects of the professionalism of being a gigging musician every bit as seriously as you take practice at the craft of being a player of an instrument.

Best of all would be to hire your own dedicated monitoring engineer and treat them like another member of the band, because their success is your success.

Also, I am *not* a big fan of the idea of each musician controlling their own IEM mix via smartphone, unless they are using devices dedicated to stage use without cellular contracts, and not their ordinary communications devices. Telephones don't belong on stage, in my opinion.
If the IEM system is well thought out and packaged I have not experienced it doubling the bands set up time on stages I've provided sound for.

Your comments about not being "that band" are spot on! I've commented before about at least one person in the band knowing how to set up and trouble shoot the set up of every aspect of their IEM system and for that matter the bands stage gear.
If time allows I'll jump in to help sort things out......it the schedule is tight and I have everything I need at FOH and it's go time, it's show time.
 
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One thing I will caution is that by building your own IEM system, you are essentially doubling the amount of setup and teardown required to get you on and off stage, and if you have band members who refuse to make the switch, then you are tripling the setup and teardown time, because not only are you taking the responsibility for monitoring away from the venue engineer(s), if you have some people on IEM and some who aren't, then you have to now interface your IEM rig with the non-IEM monitoring system of the venue, unless you are also bringing your own non-IEM monitoring rig, as well. The more self-contained you can make your system, the better off you will be.

The mention of "Basic NYC bar gigs (right now) - small stages generally" does not say to me that you are a band that is really in a position to take on this problem, just yet. I would suggest to you that you would do well to talk to engineers at the venues you are likely to be playing to get their input. Ask them if other bands are already doing this at their venue, and what the challenges are that they face when bands turn up with their own monitor rigs. Talk to other bands who are already doing this at the level of venues you are currently playing and want to play, and ask them what they are using and the challenges they are facing when they gig with their own monitor rigs.

Above all, do everything you can to not be "that band" that shows up with too much equipment and not enough expertise in using it and in getting on and off stage expeditiously. Very few things are as frustrating as sharing a venue with people who waste everyone else's time and energy. Running a PA system is not something you should do without practice, and you should take practice at the non-performance aspects of the professionalism of being a gigging musician every bit as seriously as you take practice at the craft of being a player of an instrument.

Best of all would be to hire your own dedicated monitoring engineer and treat them like another member of the band, because their success is your success.

Also, I am *not* a big fan of the idea of each musician controlling their own IEM mix via smartphone, unless they are using devices dedicated to stage use without cellular contracts, and not their ordinary communications devices. Telephones don't belong on stage, in my opinion.
I have to strongly disagree, altho NYC may be different than my neck of o the woods!

The 7 bands I've played with in the last 18 months are all 100% IEM with the 8th band (July gig) with a gtr player who required a house mixed wedge (he didn't bring his own). For that July gig we used my X32R and 16-channel splitter snake. House mixed ceiling-mounted monitor for the guitarist.
All 7 of those bands have their own mixer and splitter snake. Either an X32R, DL16S or Ui24 system.

Bands plug in 1 of 2 ways.
1 - Everything goes into House stage box(es) then House provides split to IEM rig or
2 - Everything goes into IEM mixer then splits to house stage box.

No extra time required as all band members know which of the 2 methods are being used and only need to know where to connect to - House box or bands IEM mixer. For everyone on IEM's the hookup doesn't change, nor does it if someone brings their own wedge. They hook up to the same AUX outs each time. In my case, 3 XLR's. 1 for Bass, 2nd for vox, and 3rd back from AUX on IEM mixer to my wireless IEM's.

To be fair, many of the musicians in those bands are ex-touring pro's (I'm NOT one of those, just happy they let me play in the same band) who now have real day jobs, so they know what they are doing and are prepared. They are not the average garage band playing out once a month.
YMMV

PS: I concur 100% w/ @4Mal post above!
 
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On my setup on my X32 Rack at home for silent practice/band rehearsals, I set up 4-Stereo mixes with the 8 XLR Mixbus Outputs plus another 2-Stereo mixes with 4 of the quarter-inch outputs. I also resigned 2 or the FX channels for another additional 2-Mono mixes (don't ask... I forgot how...:()...

Total of 8 personal mixes if needed... which isn't often... so I use one of the mono mixes to go to my Bassboard for bass and drums only. Feels like I'm playing loud in silence, but at lower volume.

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For some reason... the person using IEM (YELLOW), doesn't like my hearing my Bass...o_O
If I'm looking at that right it looks like some of your IEM mixes are set for post fade, monitor mixes are normally pre fade so changes made to the main mix do not change levels of the monitor sends.
 
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If I'm looking at that right it looks like some of your IEM mixes are set for post fade, monitor mixes are normally pre fade so changes made to the main mix do not change levels of the monitor sends.
Thanks... I'm no expert, and basically learning to set things up by brute force and... trial and error... watching YouTube vids aren't always helpful to me. To be honest... I just got things to work just for silent practice on my own... and silent band practice at home.

Probably the reason why I didn't notice is because I'm not using a Main Mix... I reassigned the 8 and 9 XLR Outputs from Main L/R... to Mix Bus 8 and 9 for another stereo IEM mix. My office/music room doesn't have enough room for a FOH speaker system. My X32 Rack systems is only used in my home office/music room... which is why I'm using a NETWORK rack... instead of a gig music rack case... so I have no use for setting up a main mix.

I do appreciate your input... especially since I'll be helping our church with basically the same setup I have at home for the youth group room... and they will be using a main mix for FOH. Thank you!!!
 
Based on the OP's ask.. the XR18 would meet the bands needs and cheaper than the X32R.
16 inputs, 6 AUX busses and L/R for main.
Remote access (get an external router - the internal sux on most small digital consoles) to run each members IEM/wedge mix.
Supports P16M for a drummer via Ultranet port - since they'll never move!
Small, relatively cheap.. etc..

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This. :thumbsup:

You can skip the wireless IEMs for now and use a headphone amp and wired IEMs.

Personally, I went from analog mixer > XR18 > Soundcraft UI24R > Behringer Wing Rack. The XR18 and Ui24 are much easier to manage for the type of band/gig you describe. The X32 and the Wing Rack are great mixers in the hands of someone that really understands how to use them. The Wing has me stretched to the limits of my amateur soundman expertise. Nothing wrong with the A&H if it fits your needs.