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Emulate rhythm guitar

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by Justinisraelson, Mar 23, 2014.

  1. Justinisraelson


    Mar 23, 2014
    I'm playing in a band with one guitar player and it sounds a little empty when he solos. It's a rock band and the recordings typically have rhythm guitar with distortion. Any suggestions?
  2. lokikallas

    lokikallas Supporting Member

    Aug 15, 2010
    los angeles
    Bass with distortion?
  3. Demon_Hunter


    Jun 8, 2008
    Listen to other bands that only have 1 guitar and 1 bass and listen to how the bass player does it there.

    ZZ Top
    King's X
    The Police

    etc...the list goes on
  4. seamonkey


    Aug 6, 2004
    Listen to some of the band recording and live perormances and you'll figure out they have backing tracks going on. It's been going on for decades.
    Guitar players also do a lot of looping. Bass players can do it too. Loop the baseline then add harmonies up higher.
  5. lokikallas

    lokikallas Supporting Member

    Aug 15, 2010
    los angeles

    Not any bands I've ever seen live. Pantera wouldn't even have a rhythm guitar track on the majority of their studio releases during solos.
  6. cableguy


    Jun 4, 2009
    North Bend, WA
    Try finding some isolated bass tracks for some of the above mentioned bands. Listen to their tone. Most have some grit or tube distortion going on. Also the guitarist need to have a fat sounding lead channel, not just boosting a thin, tinny sound louder.
  7. M0ses


    Sep 11, 2009
    Los Angeles
    The greatest, most destructive myth in music today is that "emptiness" is a negative thing.
  8. morgansterne

    morgansterne Geek U.S.A.

    Oct 25, 2011
    Cleveland Ohio
    have the guitar play quieter the rest of the time and crank it up during the solos.


    also the guitar player can incorporate some harmony notes that weren't there in the original solo. A couple go a long way.
  9. masterFlash


    Jul 6, 2009
    Study John Paul Jones stuff. he was great at seizing that space when Page would solo.

    With out knowing the particulars of any of your music this is a tough one to answer.

    I prefer to take those opportunities to walk(or run depending on the tempo) the basslines.

    So if you are just playing the roots while the guitarist is playing rhythm, then you could explode your bassline into running through the chords (use lots of chromatics).

    That would also provide a more energetic bed for the solo to go over the top.
  10. lokikallas

    lokikallas Supporting Member

    Aug 15, 2010
    los angeles

    Excellent example. Live especially, they just make it work, where the album might have layers of guitars, they come up with great ways of filling the space.
  11. Lou Barlow in Dinosaur, Jr. played chords up on the neck. They're a trio and I always thought they had a huge sound.
  12. Justinisraelson


    Mar 23, 2014
    Thank you for the great replies. Besides, walking and being "busier" under the solos, is there a pedal or effect I could use, that anyone could recommend?
  13. Yeah I like the openness. I really enjoy playing in a 3 piece whenever the opportunity comes up

    +900 ...this makes a huge difference

    This doesn't seem to happen Brian Setzer/Stray cats
  14. bass335


    Sep 6, 2010
    Fishman Fission Bass Powerchord comes to mind
  15. Bigmuffdiver


    Mar 28, 2014
    What I do to make it sound heavyer is use my overdrive and keep in the low register, or overdrive and powerchords on my A-string. Talk to your drummer how to keep together and make it tight.
  16. Matthew_84


    Nov 7, 2010
    Listen to Rush...

    To me Geddy does a fantastic job being a perfect gap in between the drums and one guitar. Study how he does his phrasing, it's very melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic aall at the same time.
  17. hrodbert696

    hrodbert696 Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    In theory. In practice, the Fission is pretty disappointing. Hopefully they'll come out with a second generation with better tone and better tracking.

    Options are -
    1) embrace the open space.
    2) play busier
    3) use effects to lush up your sound.

    I do all three at one point or another, and all are valid, depending on the song. It's a judgment call. As far as effects to do #3 go, something I use on a couple of songs is to kick on distortion (on an MXR M-80 in this case) and an octaver (Boss OC-3) and play higher on the neck. Makes for a very grungy, dirty tone that fills a lot of frequencies under a solo. Like I say - great for some songs, not for others, and don't overuse it.

    I guess it's kind of "play busier," but one other thing I've been doing is on Franz Ferdinand's "Take Me Out," on the verses - between downbeats on the E (A string 7th fret) I'll hit the open E string and let it ring - kind of creates a low drone which covers our lack of a 2nd guitarist. Then play fifths where it goes A - B.