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Every bass is a gamble

I have been crusading against internet sales/ebay/reverb etc. since they came along. However, due to some amazing deals out there, I purchased my last two basses from Amazon.
One came in as expected, just like purchasing from a store, the other...well...thank Dog my skills allowed me to turn it into an fine instrument, should have been sent back.
There are still great arguments for shopping where you can try stuff, and specially for someone who doesn't like fixing things, or expects everything to be perfect, it is still the only way to go.
Truths about online buying (new or used)
If it seems too good to be true, it's too good to be true.
Old does not mean vintage. Vintage garbage is still garbage.
If you can't do your own setups, and I mean frets, nut work, advanced tweeking, shop at a store.
There is a LOT of counterfeit stuff out there, LOTS. Do your homework!

One final note. It's the 21st. (approx.) century. Travel, and communication is better than in our entire history.
I hear people say, all the time, I can't get to a music store, it's 50 miles away. Poor baby. All those great bands you listen to from before the internet. Somehow they managed to get instruments. Back in the dawn of rock we all went to friggin' New York to buy a guitar!!!!

Since I was buying remotely before the internet, I didn't avoid it when it became an option. There's all sorts of ways to protect yourself. You can get screwed locally.

I've been on the receiving end of so many too good to be true deals that I don't buy into that mindset. If helps if you're knowledgeable about what you're looking at... makes it much harder to be fooled by counterfeits. I am a proponent of walking away from any deal, local or remote, that smells funny but that doesn't have to be based on the price. There's all sorts of other squirrelly crap that people can do that raises red flags.

I'm also a proponent of doing your own setups. I don't however find it necessary to be able to do fretwork or cut nuts much less advance tweaking. learn how to adjust a trussrod, set string and pickup height, set intonation, shim a neck... these don't require special skills or tools.

Every bass doesn't have to have much of a risk. Deal with established pros or sellers with a track record and the risk can be very little IME.
 
Friend and bass monster steubig believes that it can take years for him to dial in a bass and understand what the instrument can do. As stated before, plenty of times something felt great in the store, but then the warts start to show, real or otherwise.

The reality is that some builders make very consistent instruments so if you like one you'll like another. Others, particularly production basses, can be all over the map. In other words, I can pick up 5 Smiths and they will all feel and sound very similar. I can pick up 5 Fender P-basses and invariably there will be ones I like more than others (after taking setup into account).

Playing before you buy can help but it isn't a silver bullet.
 
My 'little' gamble

MSRP for $2,700
Street price usually $1,999
Used deals usually around $1,600 to $1,800


Found this on GC used in Shreveport, Louisiana for $999!

Gretsch Thunder Jet 6128B Electrotune (not Electromatic)
2017 model

Picked it up today at lunch break:
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Now I am at work thinking about this beauty. What is worse is that I have to attend a Planning Commission meeting tonight for a municipality our firm represents as municipal engineers so I won't get to mess with this until after 9:00 PM tonight! Arrrgh!!!!!

Here is the clincher $999 with the OHSC. This is a 2017 model. Amazing deal!!!!!!!!
I'd say my gamble had a huge payout!

Niiiiice! That Gretsch is a real beauty! And good score on the price!!! :thumbsup:

And sorry to hear that you have to attend PC tonight............but hey, it helps pay the bills! :) (Full disclosure: I'm a Public Works Director for a municipality, so I totally "get" it!) :D
 
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Let's assume for the moment that out of every ten instruments produced, eight are reasonable examples of the model, one is a lemon, and the remaining one is somehow the keeper out of the batch. It doesn't matter if you go to a brick and mortar store, a yard sale, or online, the same instruments are what you are choosing from. Now, the real question is, where's The One hiding? Is it still in the warehouse? Is it on tour with a pro musician? Is it hanging on the wall of the local Mom and Pop music shop? The possibility of getting ripped off by an online seller does exist, but what actually constitutes getting ripped off? Is the bass the actual one pictured, described or promised? Does it have hidden damage that is easily discovered and should have been acknowledged? Do you just not like it? Buyer's remorse is as good a reason as any to not want an instrument, but that doesn't mean the seller was sinister. It all depends where your standards lie. Some people are very exacting and want the weight to be 7.3265 pounds (and no more), with a 1.62553" nut width and 5207 winds on the pickup bobbin. Other folks don't care what it is, as long as it makes a noise when you plug it in. The stricter your parameters are, the less likely you'll be satisfied with the purchase of an instrument sight unseen.
 
Bought this online.
Had a funny feeling it would be one of the best basses I've ever owned.
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My 'little' gamble

MSRP for $2,700
Street price usually $1,999
Used deals usually around $1,600 to $1,800


Found this on GC used in Shreveport, Louisiana for $999!

Gretsch Thunder Jet 6128B Electrotune (not Electromatic)
2017 model

Picked it up today at lunch break:
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Now I am at work thinking about this beauty. What is worse is that I have to attend a Planning Commission meeting tonight for a municipality our firm represents as municipal engineers so I won't get to mess with this until after 9:00 PM tonight! Arrrgh!!!!!

Here is the clincher $999 with the OHSC. This is a 2017 model. Amazing deal!!!!!!!!
I'd say my gamble had a huge payout!
This is what you do.
Don’t touch it until Saturday!
 
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It doesn’t matter..... a bass that is brand new, used, trusted builder, certified preowned, every bass is a gamble. Why? YOU have to play it!
Don’t be told a bass is great until you experience it for yourself!
A picture may be worth 1000 words... but that’s only half the story.
The internet is filled with pictures and words...but experience is beyond words. That’s a version of the gamble.

Sure, I suppose there is safe gambling and reckless gambling...and anywhere in between. So buying from a reputable builder is a good bet...the mail order bass from Korea that costs $75 shipped ...well who knows...you might have a chance! Not necessarily reckless but you could be wasting money. That’s another version of the gamble!

It’s a beautiful thing. A bass at a pawn shop or given to you from a family member could truly be the one instrument you need. Finding that out, can take experience...There are duds out there. Basses with busted truss rods, warped necks...it can be the Wild West. Just don’t let this cloud your judgement!

Anyway...

Who’s with me???
I bought a Yamaha RBX1005F five string fretless second hand from an online shop. Never played a Yamaha, never played a five string, never played a fretless, talk about a gamble! Anyway, plugged it in and fell in love instantly, sounded beautiful, felt right, setup perfect. Totally fell on my feet, don't suppose that will ever happen again. Proves your point I spose. I did check their returns policy, got them to send lots of pics, checked out serial no and they said no quibble return if not satisfied so I felt I was only gambling on the return shipping cost but still, probly won't do that again!
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Here in Europe we have a minimum of 14 days cooling off period for any online sales.

Shoes don't match your eyes ? Send them back, TV's too small for the kitchen ? send it back.

Same goes for gear, Some folks in Germany,where shipping cost are really low,think nothing of ordering say 4 Fenders/picking the best and returning the other 3.

Not so much of a gamble for us :thumbsup:
 
It doesn’t matter..... a bass that is brand new, used, trusted builder, certified preowned, every bass is a gamble. Why? YOU have to play it!
Don’t be told a bass is great until you experience it for yourself!
A picture may be worth 1000 words... but that’s only half the story.
The internet is filled with pictures and words...but experience is beyond words. That’s a version of the gamble.

Sure, I suppose there is safe gambling and reckless gambling...and anywhere in between. So buying from a reputable builder is a good bet...the mail order bass from Korea that costs $75 shipped ...well who knows...you might have a chance! Not necessarily reckless but you could be wasting money. That’s another version of the gamble!

It’s a beautiful thing. A bass at a pawn shop or given to you from a family member could truly be the one instrument you need. Finding that out, can take experience...There are duds out there. Basses with busted truss rods, warped necks...it can be the Wild West. Just don’t let this cloud your judgement!

Anyway...

Who’s with me???

I agree. Never part with the cash without the instrument in hand,unless you are dealing with a reputable firm offering an unconditional return guarantee.
 
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Back in the dawn of rock we all went to friggin' New York to buy a guitar!!!!

Buying instruments wasn’t a hobbyist industry back then.

I noticed I buy more of the instruments I try in person impulsively and don’t have a higher attach rate with those than the ones I buy without trying in person first. So I usually avoid the stores. But that’s all part of the fun of the hobby for me. If the decision was more serious, like if I made a living off these instruments, I would approach it with more levity of course.

I think a lot of people are unaware of the level of role-playing that is involved in their preferences of brand/color/model/style instruments. I hear people saying “Yeah I like that Music-Man but I’m a Fender guy”, that’s role-playing. Coming to terms with that is a healthy start to being more comfortable with your own individual purchasing habits. Some enjoy a gamble that’s cool
 
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Owning a bass guitar, or any other musical instrument for that matter, is like a relationship.

You can sit in the store and play that instrument 4 hours, and you still won't know what it's going to be like to play that instrument in the studio versus a live performance, or various different styles of music.

And if you're anything like me, your tastes can change pretty dramatically over the course of time. I can fall in love with an instrument for a few days only to find out a week or so later that it's just not doing anything for me anymore. On the reverse side, I might hate an instrument and then walk up to it the next day to play it I think it's the most amazing thing in the world.

As players, some of us are very fickle and picky and it makes the whole idea of finding the perfect bass that much harder or maybe even impossible.