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Fender Mustang Club

I’ve got a Fender Mustang PJ like the one in the pic attached. Recently, I’ve been looking for a JJ short scale that looks like a Fender J, and now I’m wondering if it would be worth converting the P pickup to a J. Has anyone done this? Do y’all have any suggestions about placement of a neck J pickup?

I’m assuming I’d need to do some routing and get a new pick guard. I’d have someone pro do the work, but I’m trying to think through what would be involved and if this is even worth doing.
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I’ve got a Fender Mustang PJ like the one in the pic attached. Recently, I’ve been looking for a JJ short scale that looks like a Fender J, and now I’m wondering if it would be worth converting the P pickup to a J. Has anyone done this? Do y’all have any suggestions about placement of a neck J pickup?

I’m assuming I’d need to do some routing and get a new pick guard. I’d have someone pro do the work, but I’m trying to think through what would be involved and if this is even worth doing.
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Probably better off getting a short scale jazz bass. It's discussed in this thread: Short Scale Jazz Bass


and here's a link to one: SX Ursa 2 JR RN ALD BK Short Scale Bass Guitar - RondoMusic.com
 
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25490472[/URL], member: 247258"]Probably better off getting a short scale jazz bass. It's discussed in this thread: Short Scale Jazz Bass


and here's a link to one: SX Ursa 2 JR RN ALD BK Short Scale Bass Guitar - RondoMusic.com

I think there were a few more recent threads or posts about short scale jazz basses that I participated in, but I appreciate the link you posted.

So how/why would that be better than converting what I’ve got? Let’s assume the cost for the mod isn’t an issue, I’m happy with the way my current bass plays and looks, and I’m kinda out of space for adding another bass to my apartment. It’s really down to how will it sound, and I’m after the sound of a JJ setup, which means it’s mostly about pickup placement and selection.

I’d probably need/want to convert the selector switch to a balance knob.

Edit - not looking to be argumentative, just clarifying my motivation.
 
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If someone wants a SS Jazz, get one.

My biggest issues with this are:
1. I haven’t seen a SS Jazz that looks quite right. I’m admittedly picky about headstock shapes, and I want that fender pick guard + control plate look.

2. I’m running out of space. Adding another bass is more about managing my closets than my bank account. Converting one I own will save me the headache of selling one or finding more space.

Obviously YMMV, and I can only speak to my concerns. I’m willing to sacrifice the P pickup sound in the neck. So this seems like a reasonable project.
 
As far as the sound difference between pickups with their two halves in or out of phase, I don’t think that is very important to the sound, or even noticeable.

Here is my take on the subject…

Picked up a jmj and wondering about the AweSome tone control mod
I have an American Performer and swapped out the pickup for a Nordstrand. They said the size of the pickup is vintage, unlike the Squier and MIJ Mustangs. This was right after they came out, so I assume suppliers of replacement pickups will know what size fits which instrument.

Any thoughts about that Nordstrand pickup?
 
I’ve got a Fender Mustang PJ like the one in the pic attached. Recently, I’ve been looking for a JJ short scale that looks like a Fender J, and now I’m wondering if it would be worth converting the P pickup to a J. Has anyone done this? Do y’all have any suggestions about placement of a neck J pickup?

I’m assuming I’d need to do some routing and get a new pick guard. I’d have someone pro do the work, but I’m trying to think through what would be involved and if this is even worth doing.
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I'm not sure how useful it'll be if you're not in the UK, but this seller offers different pickup configurations on their pickguards (I bought a Jazzmaster guitar pickguard routed for a covered, rather than open, humbucker and it fit perfectly). They also have a wide variety of colours, not sure how their tort is, but the one I ordered was mint and I'm happy with it.

May be worth having a chat with them about which location they'd put the Jazz pup in (if they'll do it). Then I'd just have a luthier use that guard as a template for routing & installing the pickup. Maybe even do it yourself if you have the tools, if it looks sloppy, the guard will cover it anyway!

I have no affiliation with them or anything, I should say, just something I've seen pop up.

Mustang PJ Bass Offset / Player MiM Series Pickguard: many colours | eBay
 
I don't think it would be better, just simpler, and probably less expensive if you have to pay to have someone do it.

If those aren't major concerns, I think it sounds like a worthwhile project.

Gotcha. It would be simpler to buy off the rack. I’m kinda looking for a project, so I’m looking for reasons why it “couldn’t” be done, like physical limitations of the bass or difficulty sourcing the necessary parts.

I haven’t seen many SS basses with J neck pickups or JJ configurations, so I didn’t know if there was an issue with doing that. I have seen a few SS with the JJ combo, but the neck PU is more frequently a P or humbucker/soap bar on the items I find when I search online.
 
Gotcha. It would be simpler to buy off the rack. I’m kinda looking for a project, so I’m looking for reasons why it “couldn’t” be done, like physical limitations of the bass or difficulty sourcing the necessary parts.

I haven’t seen many SS basses with J neck pickups or JJ configurations, so I didn’t know if there was an issue with doing that. I have seen a few SS with the JJ combo, but the neck PU is more frequently a P or humbucker/soap bar on the items I find when I search online.
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Measure the string spacing on your bass [at the 'neck' pickup location] before proceeding.

It might be a factor, due to the heel width of the neck being less than on a 34" scale Fender.

You want the strings to sit properly over [between the pairs of] pole pieces, unless the pickup has is a blade design for the magnet.
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Measure the string spacing on your bass before proceeding.

It might be a factor, due to the heel width of the neck being less than on a 34" scale Fender.

You want them to sit properly over/between the pole pieces, unless the pickup has is a blade design for the magnet.
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Good point. I’d consider a blade style, but still worth being aware of. Thanks!
 
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OK... I have a question for anyone who owns (or has access to) an American Performer Mustang Bass:

Can you check the polarity of the magnets in the split-coil Mustang pickup?
Are the four magnets all the same polarity in both coils, or opposite in the two coils?
Easy to check if you have a compass, or another magnet.

Extra credit if you can determine if the magnets are north or south. :thumbsup:

Background:

A "normal" split Mustang pickup has its E-A string output in reverse polarity from the D-G strings, because of the way the two identical coils are connected to make the pickup hum-cancelling.

This isn't normally a problem (or even noticeable), until you try to combine such an out-of-phase pickup in parallel with a Jazz pickup, as in the American Performer. You need a Mustang pickup that has all four strings in the same polarity.

I've always assumed that the Mustang pickup in the American Performer was engineered like a Precision pickup, with the two coils wound in opposite directions, with opposite polarity magnets, so all four strings are in phase.

BUT, the American Performer service manual states that the magnets in the M pickup are ALL NORTH.
The only way that would work (so all four strings in phase) is for the coils to be identical, and connected so the pickup is NOT hum-cancelling.

Seems like an odd choice by the designers, but some of us have been wondering...
 
The discontinued Squier Vintage Modified Mustang basses have the larger Mustang pickup.

The Squier Classic Vibe Mustang basses have the smaller (vintage?) size pickup.

I found that out when I tried to swap a pick guard from one to the other.
Yes, the new Squier CV60's Mustangs have the 'vintage' pups.
And here's what happens when you replace their stock tuners with Hipshot Ultralights...
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Yes, the new Squier CV60's Mustangs have the 'vintage' pups.
And here's what happens when you replace their stock tuners with Hipshot Ultralights...
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Hmmm...That really IS significant. Great post!
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Yes, and I just thought of one more thing which would make it even better.

Putting the old tuners and associated sleeves, nuts, washers, etc into a baggie, and weighing that for us.

For best reading accuracy, it might best to weigh the baggie along with the bass, as some scales are off a bit on low end readings of small lightweight articles.
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