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Fender Quality Control...A New Low

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Would you mind suggesting a non-Fender P bass (not a P/J) that you think is better in terms of quality and price? I'm a newish bass player and don't know much about non-Fenders, would be interested in a P bass suggestion. Thanks!!!!
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Sentiment. My first bass was a 1975 Jazz Bass, and while it brings back good memories, I would likely never buy one again. Freddie Washington still has his early 70's P bass he bought new in high school. It certainly has not hurt his career.

They weren’t all bad, in fact some were pretty good. The problem paying extremely high prices for this era Fender basses with out playing them first is you don’t know which one you are getting. JMO.
 
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Yes, I agree, we should be pro-consumer here.

Whatever depth or degree of mess FMIC is in now belongs to their corporate management. It seems the fait of the Fender brand is to go through these cycles over and over again; the cycle may not repeat in exactly the same way but it definitely rhymes.
 
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It's been awhile since I've owned a Fender instrument as I have always felt they did not offer the level of value of other manufacturers. Take for example Yamaha. If you have $1500 to buy a bass...the BBP is REALLY hard to beat. The quality and sound is amazing. I recently bought a Harley Benton fretless jazz bass. It arrived in perfect condition with a decent set up. Granted, it's made of lower cost materials and hardware...but the bass costs $149. I can only imagine how fantastic it would be if it were built with the best quality materials. The workmanship is flawless. I would imagine they are mostly made by machines.

I tend to buy most of my basses used. Not only do I save money, most of the time I end up with an instrument that has already had the bugs worked out or has a few tasteful upgrades. Luckily I have never been sent a lemon. I'm fortunate to have dealt with honest folks. I am pretty handy with fixing things, so I often look for a deal on an instrument that has a few flaws. I am currently waiting on a Fender American Pro II Jazz bass to arrive. It was made in May of 2022...so it's still pretty new. The seller did not disclose any flaws, but I'll see when it arrives what shape it's in.

Nearly every instrument I have ever purchased new needed something. I recently bought a new US G&L and it was fantastic except for the bridge adjustment screw on the E string was too short to get the saddle out far enough to intonate it properly. I'm not upset about it. I'll just run to Home Depot and pick up an longer screw and cut it to length. It's not a big issue. I had a custom bass made by a local luthier and the first thing I had to do was shim the neck as the bridge saddles were bottomed out.

The two best basses, in terms of quality, that I own are both Warmoth builds I made myself. I got one body finished by Warmoth, and it's flawless. The other parts I finished myself. I used top shelf components. Both of my Warmoth builds were hundreds cheaper than a new Fender bass. My Warmoth P bass has Fender tuners, a Fender neck plate, and a Fender string retainer to give it the "look" I was going after. But it has a Nordstrand pickup, Emerson wiring and pots, a Switchcraft jack, Shaller strap locks, and a Gotoh bridge. If Fender built an instrument as good as my Warmoth P it would be a $5000 custom shop build. I have about $1200 in it (plus my labor). The genesis of the bass was a Fender I saw hanging on a wall at a music store that was over $2000. I thought "I can build one for less than that"...so I did.

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Interesting thread and issues I'm not personally aware of as I haven't bought a new Fender in ages.
If one were looking for an early 70's style J bass (chunky neck) what would you recommend?
I have a G&L JB and a Korean TT Sandberg and both have pretty thin (front to back) necks.
I haven't owned a Lakland J style but the 4401 and 4402 models didn't fit my hand well either.
 
That's a very small sample size to make such a generalization. As others have said, you'll see problems with all mass-produced instruments. Sounds like you just got unlucky (or the 'Friday afternoon' batch, as they say). In contrast, my 2021 MIM Player Jazz had zero issues other than some minor fret filing due to the unusually dry winter.
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Yes, I agree, we should be pro-consumer here.

Whatever depth or degree of mess FMIC is in now belongs to their corporate management. It seems the fait of the Fender brand is to go through these cycles over and over again; the cycle may not repeat in exactly the same way but it definitely rhymes.

I have 2 N series instrument from 90’s, A MIA Strat cir 1994, and a MIA PBj. Both were put together on the upward trend quality wise and they are going to the grave with me.
 
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These days if I'm buying a factory made bass, it's usually something from Indonesia or South Korea. That's where the quality/bang-for-the-buck ratio is the best. (German Sadowsky's are also incredible, albeit a bit pricey)

But my preference is to support smaller, specialty shops that are doing great work - like MTD, Roscoe, Valenti, Maruszczyk, FBass, Offbeat Guitars, and tons of others.

Fender is just riding the wave of its brand legacy, but give it time and that wave is gonna crash.
 
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Why even buy a new fender when you can get it cheaper and in better playing condition used.

They drilled wrong sized holes for the existing screws on american performer mustang pickups,many of those.
The result was if pickup hight was adjusted the pickup would collapse.

Yes, this happened on my 2018 AP mustang, the first (and only) USA made Fender I’d bought. The prices being what they are now, I can’t see myself buying new Fenders anymore. It’s taught me to be happy with the gear I have and know inside out.
 
Over the four years I’ve been using Fenders I’ve become well aware of the QC issues but it’s not stopped me buying them. I’m just very careful when I do. I still don’t know of another product that many buy new with the buyer already decided on what expensive modifications they are going to make. I think that accepted custom let’s a company think “well if we still make money, why go to all the fuss?” I’m not saying that’s exactly what’s going on but I wouldn’t blame them for doing it.
 
In my direct personal experience, I feel that the absolute best QC are the MIM instruments. Finishing in particular is vastly better than the USA instruments, although admittedly the MIM finishes are poly. I once bought a used CAR Eric Johnson sig strat that had lots of visible runs in the color coat. It never should’ve left the factory.
 
In 2013, after a full year of research, I purchased my dream 5 string jazz (not a Fender) on the strength of rave reviews here at Talkbass, only to find a significant finish flaw within 10 seconds of opening the case, picking up the bass and giving it the once-over. Further, the bridge pickup died a month out of warranty. This should not have happened on a bass from a very reputable brand; an instrument that cost me $3200.

I've owned several modern Fenders and none of them had anywhere near the kinds of flaws this bass had.

The moral of the story:

I think QC issues are apt to plague most builders from time to time, not just Fender. In fact, I expect them from Fender, but find them more annoying when associated with brands whose instruments are - or were at that time at least - continually touted as 'perfect'.
 
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