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Quite a delicious problem to have! I vote "keep both and buy extension cabs for both"!! Yeah, Balooey! 1,300w through 4, or 5!, cabs.
Then comes the next first world problem, which cabs to get??? You could get by with just two cabs, like the 300w 115 for the 500 and 350-ish(actually 400)w 210 for the 800. Or you could "go big or go home" with 3 cabs (the 800 can push two!). If you crave "the 15-inch sound" get three Rumble 115s (the two connected to the 800 will get only up to 267w each so you're safe). If you like 10s, then three 210 cabs is great. But, if you love 10s then get three 410 cabs!!
1,300w through 16x10" speakers will make quite the statement!! .
Just... wow!Quite a delicious problem to have! I vote "keep both and buy extension cabs for both"!! Yeah, Balooey! 1,300w through 4, or 5!, cabs.
Then comes the next first world problem, which cabs to get??? You could get by with just two cabs, like the 300w 115 for the 500 and 350-ish(actually 400)w 210 for the 800. Or you could "go big or go home" with 3 cabs (the 800 can push two!). If you crave "the 15-inch sound" get three Rumble 115s (the two connected to the 800 will get only up to 267w each so you're safe). If you like 10s, then three 210 cabs is great. But, if you love 10s then get three 410 cabs!!
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The 800 just arrived. Sounds great! Much better, I think, than the 500, which sounds muffled in comparison.
Nice to here since I was originally going to get the 500 but decided to spend the extra cash! The weight and pre/post switch sold me on it.
Same here. I read a lot about how people dislike the sound, but I really like it. The 500 sounds like it has a blanket over it, but the 800 is clear
I am new to your forum.
I will be an owner of a Fender Rumble 800c tomorrow. I do hope it does sound decent and has the cut in a rock band.
We play stuff from the 60s to the 2000s though a sizable portion of our songs are from the 90s.
My current rig is an Eden Navigator preamp into a Crown 1500XLS ( 300W/Ch). One side goes to an Eden D210XLT. The other side goes to an Eden D115XL ( can you tell - I like Eden! ).
My bass is an Ibanez BTB845 and I run a pedal board as well.
My bandmates have been fussing for some time for me to get something lighter for a bass amp and speakers. Heck, I am running the "light" stuff with the Class D Crown amp and the Eden cabs I'm using ( the 210 weighs 69 lbs and the 115 weighs 59 lbs ) are the lightest I have. The 410s come in at 98lbs and I even have an Ampeg PR410-HLF that comes in at a hefty 125 lbs.
The guitar player said I should try the Fender Rumble combos because the bass player in another band he plays in use the Fender Rumble 500c.
So...I've played on the 500 in a GC and felt it was too boomy and muffled though when I used the bright AND Contour switches and set up the EQ similar to what the "flat" settings are ( I keep the treble at 12 ), the Rumble 500 gets closer to what I like for tone ( or am at least used to ).
Since there are so few 800c demos online, I really don't have a good idea what the tone of the 800c is but I'm hoping it's more to my liking and by adding some low mids and bass EQ it gets decent bottom.
Is anyone familiar with an Eden tone and can tell me if the 800c will get me there or not?
If not, would adding the Eden D115XL as an extension cab solve the bottom end issue or just make things worse?
I will be an owner of a Fender Rumble 800c tomorrow. I do hope it does sound decent and has the cut in a rock band.
We play stuff from the 60s to the 2000s though a sizable portion of our songs are from the 90s.
My current rig is an Eden Navigator preamp into a Crown 1500XLS ( 300W/Ch). One side goes to an Eden D210XLT. The other side goes to an Eden D115XL ( can you tell - I like Eden! ).
My bass is an Ibanez BTB845 and I run a pedal board as well.
My bandmates have been fussing for some time for me to get something lighter for a bass amp and speakers. Heck, I am running the "light" stuff with the Class D Crown amp and the Eden cabs I'm using ( the 210 weighs 69 lbs and the 115 weighs 59 lbs ) are the lightest I have. The 410s come in at 98lbs and I even have an Ampeg PR410-HLF that comes in at a hefty 125 lbs.
The guitar player said I should try the Fender Rumble combos because the bass player in another band he plays in use the Fender Rumble 500c.
So...I've played on the 500 in a GC and felt it was too boomy and muffled though when I used the bright AND Contour switches and set up the EQ similar to what the "flat" settings are ( I keep the treble at 12 ), the Rumble 500 gets closer to what I like for tone ( or am at least used to ).
Since there are so few 800c demos online, I really don't have a good idea what the tone of the 800c is but I'm hoping it's more to my liking and by adding some low mids and bass EQ it gets decent bottom.
Is anyone familiar with an Eden tone and can tell me if the 800c will get me there or not?
If not, would adding the Eden D115XL as an extension cab solve the bottom end issue or just make things worse?
Good luck, thump! I hope the R800c meets your needs & expectations. If so, come to the Fender Rumble Club, and tell us your story (maybe with a photo?) And get a free membership!
Sorry, I'm not very familiar with an Eden tone, or the D115XL, but if the R500c got you close to what you like, I'm optimistic the R800c can get you there. And, I'd be very surprised, even shocked actually, if the Eden cab didn't work well with it. (Assuming the Eden's 400 watt rating is either continuous or RMS)
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Good luck, thump! I hope the R800c meets your needs & expectations. If so, come to the Fender Rumble Club, and tell us your story (maybe with a photo?) And get a free membership!
Sorry, I'm not very familiar with an Eden tone, or the D115XL, but if the R500c got you close to what you like, I'm optimistic the R800c can get you there. And, I'd be very surprised, even shocked actually, if the Eden cab didn't work well with it. (Assuming the Eden's 400 watt rating is either continuous or RMS)
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The speaker in the D115XL is rated 400W RMS. However, if you have ever heard from AgedHorse, he says that that you will run into mechanical limitations before that. I don't ever run any amp or cab that hard.
I'll have to find my way over to the Fender Rumble Club and post some pics.
Hey Old Thumper;
I had been using 2 210XLT in a loud 5 piece retro funk band with a Acoustic Image Focus 1000 watt head. But now I'm Just using the Rumble 800 and the band is quieter. I have used the 800 a couple time with one of the 210XLT (mine are both 4 ohms) on bigger gigs or places where I can't go FOH. I'm probably going sell the Edens and get a one of those new ultra light 102 Mark Bass cabinets to use on the bigger gigs. I like the easy set up and I'm happy with the sound and EQ of Rumbles (I also have a Rumble 40). I play many different kinds of gigs, with different bands, different styles with lots of different basses in different sized venues and I only use the 800 now except for some upright bass/Piano or guitar Duos where its just overkill and the rumble 40 works well there. But sometimes I DO use the 800 for a duo in bigger rooms for a fuller sound and just use the low power switch. I know it's scary to try out a new amp on a gig so take an Eden Cabinet for a while to be safe. or just see how it works out at rehearsal. I think you'll dig the 800 but if you don't like it and you want to really piss off your band mates I've got a couple of real heavy 210 Edens I'll sell you cheap. I'm just over in Iowa so no shipping required.
Just to avoid confusion, connecting to two amps this way is not 'bridging'.
I just replaced a 500 with an 800 and the thing that struck me the most about the 800 is how clear it sounded compared to the 500. No boom of muffle, and it made that so much more evident on the 500. Good luck!
Good luck, thump! I hope the R800c meets your needs & expectations. If so, come to the Fender Rumble Club, and tell us your story (maybe with a photo?) And get a free membership!
You, @Randy Ward and @Redbrangus (if he actually has a Rumble) can simply click that link to find your ways to The Club. There just mention your Rumble(s) to get a free membership. Pics are greatly appreciated, but not actually required.
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Agree with 800C has better open tone and clarity.
Same result when A/B Rumble 410 and Bassman 410 neo via Rumble 500H.
Hey Old Thumper;
I had been using 2 210XLT in a loud 5 piece retro funk band with a Acoustic Image Focus 1000 watt head. But now I'm Just using the Rumble 800 and the band is quieter. I have used the 800 a couple time with one of the 210XLT (mine are both 4 ohms) on bigger gigs or places where I can't go FOH. I'm probably going sell the Edens and get a one of those new ultra light 102 Mark Bass cabinets to use on the bigger gigs. I like the easy set up and I'm happy with the sound and EQ of Rumbles (I also have a Rumble 40). I play many different kinds of gigs, with different bands, different styles with lots of different basses in different sized venues and I only use the 800 now except for some upright bass/Piano or guitar Duos where its just overkill and the rumble 40 works well there. But sometimes I DO use the 800 for a duo in bigger rooms for a fuller sound and just use the low power switch. I know it's scary to try out a new amp on a gig so take an Eden Cabinet for a while to be safe. or just see how it works out at rehearsal. I think you'll dig the 800 but if you don't like it and you want to really piss off your band mates I've got a couple of real heavy 210 Edens I'll sell you cheap. I'm just over in Iowa so no shipping required.
LOL...good to know. I actually have 2 D210XLTs already. I know they are heavy. They don't seem like they should weigh almost 70 lbs but I guess all that lumber for the 2 ports and huge magnets on the speakers add up. Hmmm...I guess if I got 2 more D210XLTs I could make an 8 X 10 the hard way. Stack 'em up! 320 lbs of boom! What a monster...lol.
I like what you are telling me about the sound and feel of the 800. I'm looking more for the grit and grind of hard rock and grunge. The 500 sound is more like what you'd want with a P Bass, though I could be wrong. I play an Ibanez BTB845 for several reasons. It has the rock cut ( clarity? ) I need; it has a 35" scale so the B string is tight even in a drop tune; it has 19mm ( jazz Bass ) string spacing; it's relatively light for a 5 string. I know there are better basses out there but the get expensive fast.
The Rumble 800c should show up today at GC and I got my bass with me to try it out. There's a 500c on the floor as well so I can compare. I'll let you know how it goes.
I'm looking more for the grit and grind of hard rock and grunge. The 500 sound is more like what you'd want with a P Bass,
Old Thumper
When you try it out mess with the overdrive. It's not a fuzz or distortion but you can add some of that p bass grit and bark. the 800 comes with a footswitch for it. I like use it a bit subtle for a couple rock tunes.
Old Thumper
When you try it out mess with the overdrive. It's not a fuzz or distortion but you can add some of that p bass grit and bark. the 800 comes with a footswitch for it. I like use it a bit subtle for a couple rock tunes.
i picked up my new Fender Rumble 800c today.
They had a 500c on the floor, so I briefly tested both of them. Did the 500c first.
With my Ibanez BTB845 bass, it wasn't as boomy and dull as when I tried using 5 and 4 string basses on the wall. I don't remember if they were all passive, active or a mix. However, my bass is active ( just 9v but I also have an Audere 3 band active preamp that replaced the stock Ibanez ) and it didn't really sound bad at all. I ran the EQ at 12:00 and things were a bit dark but manageable, I then set the EQ to be "flat" according to the stuff posted here and it cleaned up nicely. Both finger style and slap were good. It was good enough that if I didn't like the 800c I could pick up the 500c and be happy.
Then the 800c was plugged in and everything set to 12:00 and it just stopped you in your tracks...I was like, "Whoa!" First thing you notice is clarity or brightness...whatever you want to call it. It's like someone turned the Presence control on a guitar amp up some ( where the 500c sounded like someone turned up the Resonance control and there was no Presence control ). The bottom is there but the presence ( clarity/brightness) was much more prevalent. Since my bass is bright already, I can EQ it down if it was a problem. You would probably want to tone down the treble some if you are playing finger style just to smooth it out and get more mellow. Similar with the bottom end, just EQ in more bass or low mids. The 800c definitely can cut through the mix in a rock band. Slap style was phenomenal. All the articulation you need and you really don't have to play hard.
I went with the 800c. It is definitely more of a "modern bass" sound. There is still a place for the 500c. Blues, early rock, pop, bluegrass, country. Get a P Bass ( or a Jazz ) and thump on!
IMO, I think Fender has tweaked the amps in the 500c and 800c to a select audience for each amp. On tubes, you have something called negative feedback and that helps determine the tone of the amp. The Presence and Resonance controls are affecting that negative feedback. The 500c has more resonance dialed in and not much presence. The 800c has less Resonance and more Presence.
Since the people I play with are on the loud side ( the drummer hits hard and the guitar player wants gain/fuzz/distortion on almost everything ) and with the Bass I play, the 800c better matches want I think I need.
Of course, I need to do some band practices and see how things work out. I'll have my Eden rig there too.
For the time being, I think I made the right choice.
They had a 500c on the floor, so I briefly tested both of them. Did the 500c first.
With my Ibanez BTB845 bass, it wasn't as boomy and dull as when I tried using 5 and 4 string basses on the wall. I don't remember if they were all passive, active or a mix. However, my bass is active ( just 9v but I also have an Audere 3 band active preamp that replaced the stock Ibanez ) and it didn't really sound bad at all. I ran the EQ at 12:00 and things were a bit dark but manageable, I then set the EQ to be "flat" according to the stuff posted here and it cleaned up nicely. Both finger style and slap were good. It was good enough that if I didn't like the 800c I could pick up the 500c and be happy.
Then the 800c was plugged in and everything set to 12:00 and it just stopped you in your tracks...I was like, "Whoa!" First thing you notice is clarity or brightness...whatever you want to call it. It's like someone turned the Presence control on a guitar amp up some ( where the 500c sounded like someone turned up the Resonance control and there was no Presence control ). The bottom is there but the presence ( clarity/brightness) was much more prevalent. Since my bass is bright already, I can EQ it down if it was a problem. You would probably want to tone down the treble some if you are playing finger style just to smooth it out and get more mellow. Similar with the bottom end, just EQ in more bass or low mids. The 800c definitely can cut through the mix in a rock band. Slap style was phenomenal. All the articulation you need and you really don't have to play hard.
I went with the 800c. It is definitely more of a "modern bass" sound. There is still a place for the 500c. Blues, early rock, pop, bluegrass, country. Get a P Bass ( or a Jazz ) and thump on!
IMO, I think Fender has tweaked the amps in the 500c and 800c to a select audience for each amp. On tubes, you have something called negative feedback and that helps determine the tone of the amp. The Presence and Resonance controls are affecting that negative feedback. The 500c has more resonance dialed in and not much presence. The 800c has less Resonance and more Presence.
Since the people I play with are on the loud side ( the drummer hits hard and the guitar player wants gain/fuzz/distortion on almost everything ) and with the Bass I play, the 800c better matches want I think I need.
Of course, I need to do some band practices and see how things work out. I'll have my Eden rig there too.
For the time being, I think I made the right choice.
Thanks for clear described between both combo. I do believe cleaner bass amp work great with effect pedal.
I can sure if I buy 800c I with check out along with Ampeg SGT-Di.
I had a practice session with our band over the weekend.
I have to tell you that for years I was skeptical of the Fender Rumbles. I was very content with my Edem gear even if it was heavy. I suppose age and maybe the really hot weather in part of the country finally pushed me into seriously checking things out and making the commitment to get a Fender Rumble.
Practice went well. The Fender Rumble 800c performed above my expectations. Our drummer plays hard and our guitar player loves gain and distortion on everything. I had no issues hearing myself in the mix and that was without in ears or monitors. The output from the DI seems to be a pretty hot signal so my gain setting was at 9:00 so the mixer didn't overload. I set the DI to Pre. I run a pedal board directly into the input of the Rumble. Oddly enough, even if I engaged a pedal that added some gain, the input to the mixer didn't get too hot. I guess that's some of the Fender internal compression? I originally ran the Rumble EQ all at 12:00. The Main Volume was at 10:00. The tweeter was turned off. No problems being heard in the mix. The drummer ( who's house we play in ) mentioned that there was a "hotspot" in the bass or low mids that made things rattle upstairs so I lowered the bass and low mids to 10:00. The Rumble 800c really sounded very similar to my Eden rig in tone but that clarity and tightness thing that the Rumble 800c does makes it cut through the mix more as the guitar player said it was easier to hear the bass in the mix. I brought my Eden D115XL as well. I had the Rumble sitting on top of that so the Rumble was a bit more to ear level. When added as an extension cab, it blended very nicely with the Rumble. No extra woofiness just a fuller low end response and probably some extension of those lower notes on a B string to have a bit more grunt . I added and removed the extension cab during practice and asked the guys if there was any big difference. They really didn't notice.
I'd have to say that I am surprised and also very satisfied. Looking at a Rumble you wouldn't think that something that small and light and light can sound that good.
For those who wonder what my signal chain is on my pedal board:
1) TC Electronics Poly tuner
2) TC Electronics SpectraDrive Bass preamp ( I use the compressor and EQ but not the drive portion )
3) Source Audio Spectrum ( envelope filter for a bass auto wah ).
4) Source Audio Nemesis Delay
5) Source Audio Aftershock ( bass distortion )
6) One Control Mosquito Blender ( control how much clean/distortion )
7) Dunlop Bass Wah ( to get that Tim Commerford Wah sweep on distortion )
8) SFX Thumpinator ( HPF set to 25Hz - reduces cone wobble and such - cleans up the bottom )
I have to tell you that for years I was skeptical of the Fender Rumbles. I was very content with my Edem gear even if it was heavy. I suppose age and maybe the really hot weather in part of the country finally pushed me into seriously checking things out and making the commitment to get a Fender Rumble.
Practice went well. The Fender Rumble 800c performed above my expectations. Our drummer plays hard and our guitar player loves gain and distortion on everything. I had no issues hearing myself in the mix and that was without in ears or monitors. The output from the DI seems to be a pretty hot signal so my gain setting was at 9:00 so the mixer didn't overload. I set the DI to Pre. I run a pedal board directly into the input of the Rumble. Oddly enough, even if I engaged a pedal that added some gain, the input to the mixer didn't get too hot. I guess that's some of the Fender internal compression? I originally ran the Rumble EQ all at 12:00. The Main Volume was at 10:00. The tweeter was turned off. No problems being heard in the mix. The drummer ( who's house we play in ) mentioned that there was a "hotspot" in the bass or low mids that made things rattle upstairs so I lowered the bass and low mids to 10:00. The Rumble 800c really sounded very similar to my Eden rig in tone but that clarity and tightness thing that the Rumble 800c does makes it cut through the mix more as the guitar player said it was easier to hear the bass in the mix. I brought my Eden D115XL as well. I had the Rumble sitting on top of that so the Rumble was a bit more to ear level. When added as an extension cab, it blended very nicely with the Rumble. No extra woofiness just a fuller low end response and probably some extension of those lower notes on a B string to have a bit more grunt . I added and removed the extension cab during practice and asked the guys if there was any big difference. They really didn't notice.
I'd have to say that I am surprised and also very satisfied. Looking at a Rumble you wouldn't think that something that small and light and light can sound that good.
For those who wonder what my signal chain is on my pedal board:
1) TC Electronics Poly tuner
2) TC Electronics SpectraDrive Bass preamp ( I use the compressor and EQ but not the drive portion )
3) Source Audio Spectrum ( envelope filter for a bass auto wah ).
4) Source Audio Nemesis Delay
5) Source Audio Aftershock ( bass distortion )
6) One Control Mosquito Blender ( control how much clean/distortion )
7) Dunlop Bass Wah ( to get that Tim Commerford Wah sweep on distortion )
8) SFX Thumpinator ( HPF set to 25Hz - reduces cone wobble and such - cleans up the bottom )
Old thumper
I am glad it worked out for your. From your comments in your first post I knew you were a good candidate for the 800. I also thought the 800 had some character similar to my Edens. Happy gigging!
I am glad it worked out for your. From your comments in your first post I knew you were a good candidate for the 800. I also thought the 800 had some character similar to my Edens. Happy gigging!
