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Flamers Prepare: Ampeg and Fender

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So, I've noticed one thing from my time here on TB and playing with many people, friends and professionals alike. When it comes to bass, it's Ampeg amps and Fender Bass. What is the mentality behind this?

Let me clear things up by saying that I am not writing this with the sole purpose of upsetting anyone. To each his own. I would like opinions, but if you feel that the only way to respond is to try and be smart about it, try posting somewhere else.

Unless it is a gift with no strings attached, I do not see myself wanting any kind of Ampeg amp or Fender bass. I think they are both way overrated. Sure, they sound good, and they have established themselves in the market for a reason, but with prices and quality these days, I find it hard to see why people keep going back to them. My biggest gripe is that they are considered to be the definition of Bass by both musicians (not necessarily bass players, but rather mostly guitarists) and non musicians.

The sound people are always looking for is always "an SVT sound." That isn't a problem in itself, but noone ever says they want a GK, Aguilar, Genz Benz, Markbass, etc. in mainstream playing. The same can be said about the instrument itself (I know, this isn't about amps per se, but i found that most of the rant fell under AMPS). If it doesn't look like a Fender, then it is considered "different." Again, this is generally from non-bassists, as we (for the most part) know better than to categorize things so simplistically as Fender and non-Fender.

This is just a rant induced by a performance everyone commented an amp based off of the "Classis SVT sound" and why my bass doesn't have, as told nicely by a vocalist, "the bass headstock, you know, the fender one with 4 tuning thingy-majigs on one side."

Though this is mostly just a rant to get things out of my system, I do have one question about this whole scenario. If the SVT is truly the definition of what a bass sounds like, then why is Ampeg having trouble creating a monopoly on amplification?

Just food for thought.
 
Because it isn't.

Bass isn't the only instrument that this happens with. People say all the time that they want "a strat sound", or "a les paul sound". The same can be said with fender and marshall amps.

These brands were prominent when electric instruments were just starting out, and they've established themselves as standards. Overrated or not, they're what people tend to compare things to.
 
It's ALLLL about what people are used to...which I think Marcus expresses WONDERFULLY in this video




It's what people are familiar with and what sounds like a "good bass" to the average listener. Personally, there are many other tones that I like as well, but the Fender + Ampeg SVT classic tone is definitely one that I like a lot.
 
Why? Because it works really, really well, Fender and Ampeg got it right, really right, the first time. When they were introduced there was essentially nothing else nearly as good, so there's your monopoly. Of course there are many choices now, monopoly over. But those old designs still works just as well as they did when they were new, and if you like the sound, there's no other choice.
 
Well a Fender Bass for the most part is still affordable. I know of a few Basses I have LUSTED for, the Fender I could afford (and reworked it to work well).
Amps.........ex MAGNAVOX era SVT and V4-B owner, devoted G-K owner (although Genz-Benz has me thinking a little.......Naw G-K) I haven't cared for anything spouting the "Ampeg" name for some time. It has a name but I prefer my amp to sound like a G-K, maybe I just grew up? We all know guitardist will never grow up (unless they graduate to Bass that is). ;)
All in my opinion of course, to each his or her own taste be.
 
Sounds like you have a few different experiences going through your head at once there. It's seems that many guitarists think that they know something about everything musical which may not actually be the case. The vocalists (well the one on your post sounds typical) are probably associating with a certain "look". They may have heard some bass that they liked and they SAW that it was a Fender P or J and so they think if you don't have that then you can't sound like a bass. It's silly, really.

IMO, I think the Fender/Ampeg combo has become synonymous with bass because that was the combo often used on many recordings which we all grew up on. So the Fender/Ampeg SOUND became "the sound" that is associated with a smooth, warm, professional sounding bass. Of course, it's not the only option today...but it's still a pretty good sounding combo for the most part. IMO, a vintage bass tone can still fit within most genres of music.

The sad truth is that more often than not, other musicians take the "bass is supposed to be felt; not heard" attitude so we often get mixed into the lower rear corner of the sound. That being the case, a classic vintage bass tone can work fine. I'm afraid that often times the "great tone" that we've worked so hard to achieve goes unnoticed anyway. :atoz:
 
Fender/Ampeg is totally my thing. I have non-Fenders and I have one non-Ampeg bass amp, but I go for the Fender/Ampeg combo most of the time because it's what I like. It may not be your thing, and that's OK. But you should spend less time worrying about what other bass players use, and more time worrying about what you like, and not try to impose your likes and dislikes on others, or make value judgments on what other people play.

BTW, it absolutely happens with other instruments, too, not just bass or guitar. You should hear sax players get together and talk about vintage Selmers sometime.
 
You haven't been around too long, huh? The majority of talkbass member is definitely not in the Fender/Ampeg camp.

I'm proud to be in the minority, LOL



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I think what everyone said is just about it... The classic tone means that we all have heard those amps and basses recorded in our favourite classic records because that was the option at the time...
This is a bit of revisionist history here. By the time the electric bass caught on (early 60's) there was never a time when Ampeg and Fender were the only choices for bass. Every other brand had a fair chance in the marketplace, and every other brand had its fair share of famous users.
 
Though this is mostly just a rant to get things out of my system, I do have one question about this whole scenario. If the SVT is truly the definition of what a bass sounds like, then why is Ampeg having trouble creating a monopoly on amplification?

Just food for thought.

It weighs like 100 lbs. It's bulky. It's expensive to maintain.

The Markbass and gk heads and stuff will never sound as oozy and warm yet punchy, but they are cheaper, lighter, and more reliable.
 
It weighs like 100 lbs. It's bulky. It's expensive to maintain.

The Markbass and gk heads and stuff will never sound as oozy and warm yet punchy, but they are cheaper, lighter, and more reliable.
You had me until the "more reliable." I've had as many problems with SS amps as tube amps. Nothing inherently less reliable about tube amps.
 
I like the feel of my Fender basses. I feel weird playing other basses. I am serious too. I play out of a Fender Bassman 300 Pro which was apparently designed by the guy who designed the SVT...well that is what I hear..anyways...I like that head because it has a 2 channels. So I guess I am some what of an Ampeg/Fender guy. I like it though.


Oh...I also want to own just about every Electro Harmonix pedal out there.
 
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