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Fretless - should I?

My first bass was a converted fretless my teacher loaned me, so I've played it from day 1. Was never intimidated by it. I now play fretless 4 and 5 string as well. Pick up a used Squier Classic Vibe fretless Jazz bass that you know will have a well-planed board. Lines or no lines, it doesn't matter at first when you're getting your ear together. That being said, you must ensure that the bass is set up and intonated properly so you aren't learning improper positions when/if you go without lines, and when you are using the lines as a visual guide at first. For those who say 'a fretless bass doesn't need to be intonated', I roundly say you're wrong. You want those positions and markers on the side of the fingerboard to be accurate, and you also want it to play in tune above the 12th relative to those positions too.

As an upright bass player I will say this: anyone who says 'don't look' at a fretless electric fingerboard is lying when they say they never have to do it. On upright, you have PHYSICAL landmarks and a general overall sense of positions without needing to look. On an electric bass, the tolerances are tighter and there are no major physical landmarks to help if you get out of position and need help getting back in the moment. On upright, we can use open strings as a pivot. That does work somewhat on electric, but not quite as well. In short, look if you need to, but don't feel bad when you do. Even Pino Palladino looks at his fretless MusicMan fingerboard when he has to. Fretless electric is a different beast, but I find it easier than fretted because you can execute a lot of things much more cleanly without frets.
 
I have always loved the sound of fretless since I first heard Brand X in the 80s. My mum passed away mast year and I’m a out to get an large inheritance. I already have 3 bases. Music is a hobby and I only play in a covers band that a P and a J are enough for. I’m thinking of getting a fretless with some of the inheritance money as a way to remember my mum. My only worry is that I will find the transition hard and not enjoy it. Any tips, thoughts or ideas for a fretless newbie? I would use it for composing and my own compositions rather than the covers band.

Fretless is a ton of fun. So many cool sounds can come from a fretless.

My philosophy is if I ask myself whether I want to do something I'm a little bit interested in I always say "yes" and force myself to do it. Life is short and precious and shouldn't be wasted on regrets. So I say go for it!
 
I will say this: anyone who says 'don't look' at a fretless electric fingerboard is lying when they say they never have to do it.
A while back someone posted a link to a video here of a bass teacher talking about the necessity of having muscle memory on fretless... while staring at his left hand while he played. Even Jaco looked at his left hand!

I have two poses when I'm playing my fretless: thumb anchored, playing across the neck, eyes closed or staring into space while I listen for intonation... or watching my left hand as I shift up and down the neck.
 
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Another thought, since pawn shop finds are hit or miss and I got epically lucky with mine...

Check out Harley Benton's JB40FL--it's a "Jaco" Jazz clone with absolutely stellar reviews. Very cheap, great beginner fretless--if you hate it, someone will want it. Hell, if you hate it, ping me and I'll buy it.

Now you really have no reason not to do it.
 
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Yonni, sorry about your mum. It is nice to find something to remember her.

I just read a few posts in. Take your time finding a fretless. Think of the specs you have on your fretted and if you like them, start there in looking for a fretless. I would not suggest a cheap fretless but a better quality used fretless (my first one was a USA G&L fretless in 2017 and it was an excellent starting point for me) or a fretless of good value at a lower price point (Ibanez? Sire?). As you may know there are few fretless to try out so you may have to take a chance.

Best of luck for your search and looking forward to hearing you join us fretless folks!
 
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I tried a vintage Tokai today. It looked like it was defretted because the lines were the same colour as the fretboard. Despite that I managed OK and am definitely going to make the jump once the inheritance is sorted in April.

I was around when that first Tokai replica range came out and they were all excellent in every respect. A friend of mine had a 'Breezy Sound' (Telecaster) and 'Springy Sound (Stratocaster). His friend played his dad's '58 Stratocaster and they played together in a Dire Straits tribute. John always said his 'Springy' was better than the old Fender...

If you are looking at a 'Jazz Sound" bass, they did a factory fretless that was essentially a replica of Jaco's Bass of Doom - no pickguard, lined fingerboard, chrome-dome knobs. If it's the one at the Gallery, that looks original to me as I remember them. Did you notice the reverse-wind tuners?
 
I was around when that first Tokai replica range came out and they were all excellent in every respect. A friend of mine had a 'Breezy Sound' (Telecaster) and 'Springy Sound (Stratocaster). His friend played his dad's '58 Stratocaster and they played together in a Dire Straits tribute. John always said his 'Springy' was better than the old Fender...

If you are looking at a 'Jazz Sound" bass, they did a factory fretless that was essentially a replica of Jaco's Bass of Doom - no pickguard, lined fingerboard, chrome-dome knobs. If it's the one at the Gallery, that looks original to me as I remember them. Did you notice the reverse-wind tuners?
I didn't touch the tuners but it was that one at the Gallery.
 
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Buy one: you won't regret. You'll learn A LOT about how to come out with a brand new apporach to music. Do not OVERUSE the glissando stuff: just play it as a regular bass. Each now and then throw in the "special". Plus: it's not a shame to have a lined fretless and looking at the fretboard as long as you need/want, to obtain a good note intonation. Enjoy it!

P.S.: if you want to make an extreme jump, buy a used GWB35 (Ibanez Gary Willis sig, the economic black one)

ibanez-gwb35.webp
 
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I have always loved the sound of fretless since I first heard Brand X in the 80s. My mum passed away mast year and I’m a out to get an large inheritance. I already have 3 bases. Music is a hobby and I only play in a covers band that a P and a J are enough for. I’m thinking of getting a fretless with some of the inheritance money as a way to remember my mum. My only worry is that I will find the transition hard and not enjoy it. Any tips, thoughts or ideas for a fretless newbie? I would use it for composing and my own compositions rather than the covers band.
Well... First; sorry about your Mum. Okay; some thoughts...
1. Lined vs. Unlined. Lined fretless is pretty easy to play - especially if you're pretty much tone-deaf - like I am. Which is the reason I didn't buy my first fretless bass until I'd been playing for 50+ years. If you're not tone-deaf? Take your pick...
2. Which one? For this left handed player, there isn't a lot of choice. Hell, there isn't a whole lot of choice of fretted basses, either... There were fractionally more lefty unlined choices than lined, but I managed to wind up with 4 lined ones. Only had to have one of them made for me; a short scale Birdsong Fusion. My others are a Schecter Stiletto Studio 4FL; a G&L Kiloton lined fretless; and a '93 Canadian Fury Anthem medium scale lined fretless. Which is a custom bass; but all of their basses and guitars are custom made. The Birdsong is a very custom bass - even for a Birdsong. Wasn't exactly inexpensive, either... The Schecter and the G&L are very well made, for "mid-priced" basses. Several other companies make fretless basses, too, but... lefty lined ones? Not so much; and trust me; I looked very hard... For you? It will be a lot easier, and there will be a lot more choices, too...
3. Fingerboard wood. Lots of debate about this on TB; All I will say, is - please yourself. Personally? I prefer Ebony - Macassar Ebony if possible. It's Hard; has it's own particular tone; and has been the fingerboard wood of choice for fretless stringed instruments for... well, a very long time. 3 of mine have Ebony fingerboards; the Fury Anthem has a "Bolivian Rosewood" fingerboard. Which is a fancy name for Pau Ferro. Which is a pretty wood, but is a little softer than real Brazilian Rosewood. Even though that bass has almost certainly never worn anything but tape wound strings - which it was built to do, and sounds gawdawful with any other strings - there is pretty significant wear on the fingerboard. But, fair dues; that's after being played for 32 years...
So... bottom line? Decide whether you want lined or unlined - and just start looking. By all means; have one made for you, if that's what you want. But, there are some very nice "production" fretless basses out there, as well... Good luck with whatever you decide on... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
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Like you, I didn't have much experience playing a fretless -- just noodling around at a couple music shops. But I've always enjoyed the sound of a fretless. I decided to jump in feet first and get a fretless from Maruszczyk, which cost more than both of my other basses, combined. I ordered it sight unseen, but I made sure that it had the same scale length (34"), nut width (1.75" or 45mm), and string spacing (17.5mm) as my other basses, so that my muscle memory would transfer over. It's been a joy to play to play and I have no regrets about it. I didn't go completely unlined, as it has "mini ghost lines" that show where the frets would be on the top edge of the neck, but the fingerboard looks unlined. Since it arrived, it's been my favorite bass and the others are getting jealous of how much attenton it gets. The transition to fretless was quicker than expected. I took about a month of dedicated practice before I brought it to band practice and my bandmates didn't even realize it was fretless until afterwards.

If you want a fretless, spend some time figuring out what it is that you like the most about your favorite basses, and find a bass that checks the most boxes. If you can't find something stock that fits your desires, Maruszczyk is a very "affordable" custom bass maker with enough options to make your dream fretless bass a reality. While I love my Maruszczyk, I do think I would've been almost as happy with a fretless Sire Z7 5-string, whch would've been easier on my wallet.
 
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Like you, I didn't have much experience playing a fretless -- just noodling around at a couple music shops. But I've always enjoyed the sound of a fretless. I decided to jump in feet first and get a fretless from Maruszczyk, which cost more than both of my other basses, combined. I ordered it sight unseen, but I made sure that it had the same scale length (34"), nut width (1.75" or 45mm), and string spacing (17.5mm) as my other basses, so that my muscle memory would transfer over. It's been a joy to play to play and I have no regrets about it. I didn't go completely unlined, as it has "mini ghost lines" that show where the frets would be on the top edge of the neck, but the fingerboard looks unlined. Since it arrived, it's been my favorite bass and the others are getting jealous of how much attenton it gets. The transition to fretless was quicker than expected. I took about a month of dedicated practice before I brought it to band practice and my bandmates didn't even realize it was fretless until afterwards.

If you want a fretless, spend some time figuring out what it is that you like the most about your favorite basses, and find a bass that checks the most boxes. If you can't find something stock that fits your desires, Maruszczyk is a very "affordable" custom bass maker with enough options to make your dream fretless bass a reality. While I love my Maruszczyk, I do think I would've been almost as happy with a fretless Sire Z7 5-string, whch would've been easier on my wallet.
This is looking like a good option. I would like it to be ebony, through neck, dark wood, active soapbars or multi coils. Other options are the Sandburg anniversary walnut, a Warwick or Overwater. Just trying to get my hands on a secondhand Squier or Ibanez to spend time with before I shell out serious money.
 
Speaking as a poor player and old man....
Yes absolutely get one... Obligatory flats, Unique sound, facility to get a lined board to start you off, sliding is easier.... etc etc etc....
And my thinking to getting mine (lined and side dots) was to improve my finger accuracy.. And it does help...
And dark unlined boards just look fabulous...!! If I ever get good enough...!!