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Gauge impact on tone for Flatwounds

GroovinOnFunk

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In particular I'm curious on the EB Cobalt Slinky flats, but in general, how much does string gauge impact the tone for flats (let's say in the context of a band mix, not in solo bedroom conditions)?

I have 45-100 on there now and love them. Wondering if it's worth it to go 45-105 (really just A and E strings are different in this scenario) or if it's really negligible.

I'm guessing the tone difference is a bit moot, yeah?
 
In particular I'm curious on the EB Cobalt Slinky flats, but in general, how much does string gauge impact the tone for flats (let's say in the context of a band mix, not in solo bedroom conditions)?

I have 45-100 on there now and love them. Wondering if it's worth it to go 45-105 (really just A and E strings are different in this scenario) or if it's really negligible.

I'm guessing the tone difference is a bit moot, yeah?
I use these flats as well, but I don't gig. Great strings!

As soon as I read your comment saying "i have 45-100 on there now and love them". I think that answers your question. If you love something, why change? Stick with it! :thumbsup:
 
I play Cobalt flat, only prefer 45-100. The 45-105 has different plucking feel on both 85/105 on my hand. In this case, the EA string sound less string to string tonal balance on my hand.

Few days ago, I install a set of 2814 on my charvel Pro mod PJ which has himass bridge.

I notable both EA string feels little stiffer and better balance with DG string than another 2 set of 2014 on the bass with fender vintage bend bridge ( actually they already has well string to string balance to me ).
 
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For flatwounds, heavier may lead to more "thump". But I don't think it's strictly proportional.
My observation is that "thumpy" strings tend to make the bass louder acoustically. Heavier strings should make the wood vibrate a bit more, and hence more "thump".
 
I play the 45-105 Cobalt Flats and really like them. I have no reference for other string gauges, though.
For Chromes, I played a set of 50-105 until they were somewhat worn, which took years and years. For the next string change, I decided to get a set of 45-100 and 50-105. Made a hybrid of 45-105 and sold the leftover strings. The tone didn't change for the D & G, but the feel was lower tension and more balanced.
 
With the LaBellas, I notice a big difference between the 104 and 105 E string.
The 104 has more clarity and sings better, even after being well broken in (I have a 104 E string that's 25 years old).
Maybe one reason why the 760 FL set is so popular.
La Bella seems a bit different. I think they use different construction for their odd-sized strings (760FL, 0760M) and regular-sized strings (760FS, 760FM). I've used their Beatle strings in both gauges, and the 39-96 is clearer than the 50-100 which goes "thud". Neither holds a candle to Rotosound 77's clarity-wise, though.
 
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I think brand has a bigger impact.

Something weird going on with one of my P basses. I went from 50-100 Fender flats to 52-110 Labellas and the bass is quieter when unplugged but louder when plugged in. The Fenders are almost 4 years old, the Labellas 6 months old.

Unless the tone changes radically for the worse, i let it grow on me. Feel is more important.
 
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Magnetic pickups sense a string’s motion rather than its mass. Gauge means nothing to your pickup.

Lighter gauge strings have a greater degree of excursion when plucked than a heavier gauge will. So they will often provide more punch (i.e. sharper attack and higher relative volume) when played with the same amount of finger pressure compared to a heavier string. Lighter gauges can also feel easier on your hands. But as far as tone goes, I never noticed gauge had any affect on that. I once bought into the myth that heavier strings meant better tone. But as time went on I migrated from 110s, to 105s, and now to 100s. And I haven’t sacrificed anything in terms of tone by doing so. Same goes for rounds.
 
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IMHO there are different things in motion when comparing different gauges "steps".

1) feeling: a lighter string can be better or worse depending on your habits and style.

2) string to string balance: I prefer lighter "lows" and heavier "highs" because I think that they match better in terms of sound

3) the sound on the string length/fretboard position.

4) percussive styles are the ones that are more influenced by the gauge.


let me explain:

1) we all pluck and pick different, with different angles and strength, depending on finger length ecc, so the different gauge can impact our way to pluck and pick. FE: I can't stand anymore the Thomastik set with that super light A string (70), or I usually prefer lighter strings on the low side, like the 55-70-90-105 set of Fender/GHS flats.
the position of the E string and the way I finger it (considering both hands) makes me prefer a lighter E.

2) I've noticed in most sets that a 80-100 matches better with 45-65 in terms of sound, for sustain, harmonics and clarity. however, it's a matter of nuances, and poorly noticeable in a band context.

3) IMHO lighter strings tend to sound better balanced all along the fretboard: a 105 E string, for example, gets a bit muddierd compared to a 100 when going up the fretboard, still maintaining a clear sound on the lower frets.
on the other side, lighter high strings tend to sound too twangy, so that a 45 G is better balanced than a 40. however a 50 G can be a bit too "hot" and "howly" on the upper frets.

4) as other users already mentioned, on the slap technique the gauge is more evident, as with a pick. usually you can hear a difference in the fundamental and the harmonics.
slapping a 100 is different than slapping a 105, so is popping a 40 or a 45. not to mention a 30-90 set :D


so, it's a matter of preferences, and the best set is the one that makes you comfortable. I always read about "balanced sets" and the math to create a set with specific gauges... I've always preferred sets that are unbalanced on chart, like the aforementioned 55-70-90-105 set of Fender/GHS flats, or the Rotosound RS66LD set.
they have tensions so unbalanced, on the chart, that they should be so uncomfortable :D but I've always preferred those sets to the "balanced" ones.

ah, the bass also has some role!

FE: I'm used on some basses to the Rotosound BS66 set (43-65-80-110), and I love it. however, my Aria SB1000 didn't like it: the E string was too boomy, the G string sounded like a guitar, and the volume was so unbalanced that I had some difficulties playing it with the band.
I switched to the RS66LD set, with heavier G and lighter E, and now the bass sounds perfectly balanced: the G on that set is a 48, so like those sets with an extremely heavier G (also the RS77LS have a 50 G, not the labelled 45) that were typical in the 50's/60's.

most of my basses have this kind of gauge, even if it's not labelled, and I discovered it just by taste:

I've used for years the Rotosound RS66LD set, and until I measured with a caliber, I only noticed that the G was "tighter" than other brand's G, and here it is, a 48.
the Rotosound RS77LD set was an immediate love, and guess what? a 50 G on a "45-105" set.

I prefer the Fender and GHS gauge 55-70-90-105 to the La Bella 0760M I was used to (52-73-95-110), and also liked the GHS 45-95 set.
also the Brite Flat (GHS) standard set on my Stingray is wonderful, 49-62-84-108.

with more standard sets (Ernie Ball, D'Addario ecc) I prefer the 45-100 sets, and only use a 45-105 on my Mike Dirnt signature, that mostly play with a pick and need more "strength" on the lower strings.

you should try as many as you can and decide by your taste, not others.