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Double Bass Gig recordings

OK, I've posted. I've tried to line up with the moment, but it may be that the comment appears just AFTER what I'm talking about in the time stream, so bear that in mind. Also, I ain't coming down from on high with this ****, there's plenty of examples where I **** up stuff posted. It's just nobody ever got any better by hearing "oh you sound great" alla time.
Overall, I'd say that there are times when the pianist is not playing with the band, but there are more times that the band isn't really following the direction the pianist is going. He's really opening the harmony and a lot of the time you guys are chugging along as if that's just not happening. There's a few guys I play with (freaking Nitzan Gavrieli for Mithra's sake) that I don't hear what he's doing with a lot of specificity, but you HAVE to be able to respond in the moment to those directions with what you CAN hear, instead of going about your business as usual. If you haven't already, check out his excerpted solo on BODY & SOUL, there's lots that he's doing that I can't hear, but (in my opinion) you never get the sense that I'm not playing WITH him.
 
I have to agree with Ed, here. The main point is whether or not you are hearing what the other musicians are doing - just because one person plays something or tries to push the music a different direction certainly doesn't mean you have to go there, but if you don't want to it is going to sound best if you are more firm and clear about your own decisions. Your playing needs relfect informed decisions.

With a pianist or other advanced chordal player the harmony can get beyond our ears or understanding (especially in the moment) - in a few places you opted for big half and whole notes where some chromatic quarters to keep the bassline moving (just don't lose the form!) probably would be more effective.

So, it isn't shameful to not hear the full harmonic implications of a more advanced player - just KNOW you are not hearing them and avoid more complex harmonic decisions, stay with roots, leading tones, 5ths and chromatics.

On the other hand IF you can hear it, you then have to decide whether you want to counter it, re-enforce the idea or make it more rich by adding other pitches.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys! Sorry for my lack of response; I haven't been near the computer much the last few days. I'm just now listening back to the track while looking over Ed's comments. In general, I think Damon is on to something with this whole "informed decision" thing. A lot of the funny harmonic things Ed pointed out are usually the result of my hearing the pianist do something and me responding by guessing at what he might be doing or just bullshitting when in fact playing the normal changes might have been a better decision. I remember being pretty aware of the things the pianist was doing but not necessarily knowing exactly what they were and thus being unable to follow. Being more secure in the original changes would probably give any adventures off the beaten path a little more authority as well; I've become increasingly aware of the BS that is present in both my time playing and soloing as of late.

As far as your comment about 5 min in, rushing during a solo is just one of those things I've always struggled with. It gets better when the metronome is a bigger part of my regimen and it seems to be showing that that is not the case lately.

Thanks again for the comments; I sincerely appreciate any and all feedback.
 
Your bossa walking can use a little bit more variety. I wouldn't be so afraid to repeat the same note twice. Right now it sounds like you're kinda stuck in "Song for My Father" territory. Four beats of nothing but roots or a diatonic line can break it up a bit.

I guess what I'm saying is don't be afraid to have more contour to your bossa walking. Banging out just roots and 5's gets old after a while. A couple passing tones doesn't hurt either. Doing so also gives you more tools to respond to your fellow bandmates. Pedals and simple stuff when someone else is playing something complicated to provide some contrast.

Gal Costa's "Gal Costa Canta Tom Jobim" is an awesome album and has lots of good examples. I forget who the bassplayer is.

Don't take it personally, but you don't have the changes to Miss Jones down. I'd make it a point to have it memorized properly. That song goes through alot of chords so I like make sure I'm outlining the chord tones and staying closer to them, esp during the bridge. Example: right from the get-go you're not making it clear you're playing that Am7 on the 6th bar. There are points in the tune where certain chords must be played strong (at least at my lowly level) where there's no doubt people know where you are and where the song is. At least I would not gamble to jump away from the regular changes right from the start. I'd stick with them, and once someone's solo has developed some steam and drama, then maybe I'd consider following them to outer territory - otherwise I think it seems out of place unless you happen to really know what you're doing. Prob better to start on strong footing and take chances later.
 
Example: right from the get-go you're not making it clear you're playing that Am7 on the 6th bar. There are points in the tune where certain chords must be played strong (at least at my lowly level) where there's no doubt people know where you are and where the song is. At least I would not gamble to jump away from the regular changes right from the start. I'd stick with them, and once someone's solo has developed some steam and drama, then maybe I'd consider following them to outer territory - otherwise I think it seems out of place unless you happen to really know what you're doing. Prob better to start on strong footing and take chances later.

I agree. As always, if you are REALLY hearing that other stuff You can just remove "Miss Jones" from the equasion and play free.
In this time period (post-modal, free, atonal, etc.) I find it best to stay with the changes if changes are used. Playing free on standards is for the most part (provided you are not Paul Bley) an inefficient use of the format, same goes for free pieces that sound like tunes. It doesn't mean you still can't use any on the 12 tones against any chord, you just have to know what effect it will have and make it sound like you want that effect.
 
hdiddy - As for that Am7, I tend to play Fmaj7 just as much or more than the Am7...no particular reason though. I get and agree with you and Damon though.

There were issues the entire night with the drummer rushing like crazy so I was probably oversimplifying on the bossa in order to try and keep him in check.

Keep the feedback coming folks; I don't get nearly enough informed criticism of my playing.
 
Hi Will. I can hear some improvements since the last time I heard you in the clarity of some of your lines on "Miss Jones". To take it a step further, I think you've gotten some good advice so far: Nail down the changes at first (including the "A-" in bar 5), and try not to be tentative about it. I feel like I can almost hear you wondering if your line is hip enough at times. Remember that "hip" encompasses a lot of terrain, and if you aren't playing hip notes, make it feel great (which is also "hip") with simpler notes.

In the head, the pianist is trying to insert the standard half step Ab- Db7 turnaround right before the G- C7 turnaround at the end of the first A section and again at the end of the bridge. It doesn't matter whether you both decide to play it or not, as long as you agree on it aurally. Either way, it's a good thing to know that it might happen at any time and to be prepared to either dig in and say (musically speaking, and with a smile) "I'd rather not", or "OK, we can go there if that's what you want". A lot of this depends on the musical personalities involved, but on the technical side, if you know what the options are it's easier to make an informed choice.

On the sax solo, he's playing pretty straight ahead, so this would be a good place to lay it down. One of the greatest lessons I've ever learned is that when you lay the changes and feel down with authority in an "inside" kind of way, the other players will be quicker to accept your more harmonically "stretching" or "outside' playing. It also helps the tune progress, as this one does. In the next solo, the piano player is subbing all kinds of chromatic/suspended reharms, indicating that he sees the A sections of the tune as basically harmonically static (which, as long turnarounds, they definitely are or can be). When this happens, as damon suggests, you can either keep laying it down if you aren't sure what to play, or you can make room for that stuff to work by taking the same approach. One nice thing to practice for this is to practice what I call "floating" the changes; instead of outlining each change of the harmony that's technically supposed to be there at each bar, practice outlining less - say every 2 or 4 bars - and simply trying to create a melody in between (inside or outside the changes) that leads to where you're going in the big picture. If you were doing this on the first A, for instance, while the piano player was going out harmonically, you would get something like:

F???/????/G-???/????/A-???/????/G-???/????/F (every 2 bars)

or

F???/????/????/????/A-???/????/????/????/F (every 4 bars)

leaving you a lot of space to create melodic ideas that aren't so bound by the harmonic rhythm. On the bridge, it's good to be more definitive, but one possibility would be to open up the changes a little bit from the denser harmonic rhythm, something like:

Bb???/Db7???/Gb???/A7???/D???/Db7???/Gb???/C7???/F (Coltrane-ish in a "Giant Steps" kind of way)

or

Bb???/Ab-???/Gb???/E-???/D???/Ab-???/Gb???/C7???/F (Coltrane-ish in a "But Not For Me" kind of way)

Keep in mind that when you think this way, the soloist gets more freedom to superimpose (which he was asking for on the recording), and you get more room to create melodies a bit less bound to a short harmonic rhythm.

Keep up the good work!