Double Bass Hal Robinson and Jeremy Kurtz Endpins

[A Spotless Mind]

Does anyone know what kind of endpin both Hal Robinson and Jeremy Kurtz use when they play standing up? It almost looks like the endpin Rabbath uses except its titled to the left.

Does anyone know what it's called and where to get one installed?

 

[JoeyNaeger]

Those are EGGpins and can be ordered from Robertson's violin shop.

 

[ADissen]

Its just the rabbath endpin drilled at an angle. The eggpin is ideal for figuring what angle is right for you.

 

[Fletcher Lanning]

I couldn't find a description of the 'egg pin' on the Robertson's website. Could someone post a link to this?

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Here's a very informative thread including descriptions and some pics. Have at!

 

[JoeyNaeger]

You'll have to call them and ask for it.

 

[thedbassist]

If you don't know what something is, please don't make a comment telling somebody what it is. That is just misleading and confusing.

Hal Robinson and Jeremy Kurtz both play on a Laborie endpin that is inserted at an angle like ADissen said and you can buy a laborie endpin from slavapub.net and get it installed by a luthier(make sure they have some experience installing them).

 

[A Spotless Mind]

Okay cool, thanks for the information.

So is there any disadvantages or advantages to inserting it at an angle as opposed to straight like Rabbath? Or is there no difference, just personal preferance?

 

[Fletcher Lanning]

It just adjusts weight distribution. From what I've seen, Rabbath uses his slightly angled to the left as well. It keeps the bass pushing towards you slightly.

 

[quenoil]

No, François Rabbath's endpin is inserted completely straight, not to the left or right. I'm not sure what the reasoning is for having it offset never having played a bass with it installed that way.

 

[thedbassist]

Okay cool, thanks for the information.

So is there any disadvantages or advantages to inserting it at an angle as opposed to straight like Rabbath? Or is there no difference, just personal preferance?

Rabbath uses an endpin that goes straight into the bass, for the endpin that comes in at an angle it is suppose to put the bass already in the position that you have to adjust the bass with a regular laborie endpin. The whole concept of having the bass in a much more open position with the ability to apply equal weight to all strings is still the same for both endpins.

I would recommend finding a teacher who is very familiar with the Rabbath technique so they can help guide you in the right path.

 

[A Spotless Mind]

Hmm...... I still don't think I understand.

What's the purpose of having the Laborie eggpin angled like Hal and Jeremy does? Is it "better" than having it straight like Rabbaths?

 

[Nathan Parker]

I don't think one is better than the other, I just think they are different. I just had my bass drilled for the Laborie endpin in the "typical" fashion. I'm getting along just fine without another angle in the mix. But, I suppose if I had more time/money I might tweak the angle more.

Sorry if my answer does not illuminate you. I lack the facilities for such inspiration.

 

[Fletcher Lanning]

Hmm...... I still don't think I understand.

What's the purpose of having the Laborie eggpin angled like Hal and Jeremy does? Is it "better" than having it straight like Rabbaths?

As with pretty much everything DB related, it all depends on your posture, how you play, what music you play, etc. Some people like it angled to one side because they want the bass leaning into them from that direction. Some people do not.

 

[Alex Scott]

I've got one drilled in at an angle. It was recommended by Paul Ellison for taller people, to be a little more stable, probably because it leans into you a little. I have considered having it drilled straight back too, i'm about 6'2'' so not super tall.

Having it straight back, depending on the bass, causes it to sometimes fall gently away from you vs. towards you, at least for taller people.

 

[Dave Whitla]

If you are thinking about using an endpin with a different angle than straight, the EggPin is a good way to find out what angle is right for you, since it is very adjustable, as long as it will fit around the collar of your present endpin. The Laborie endpin achieves the same thing, but it is installed in one position so you'd better know what you want before you go drilling your endpin block.

 

[basshog]

The 7 degrees offset helps with not only tall people, but really big, topheavy orchestra basses as well. I was raised with the metal straight endpin and was of course very skeptical. But I messed around with a friend's eggpin and really loved the offset feel with my big French bass. I got my bass drilled a few weeks later. I love it and will never go back!

Oh! You are all missing one of the most important reasons for the drilled, bendy pin: The sound! Everyone should play their basses as normal, then take out the big metal pin completely and play some more. The difference in resonance, volume, and good tone will knock your socks off! If you decide to stick with your traditional metal pin, saw off the slack. That also makes a big difference.