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Hartley PEAVEY about chinese quality

Interesting info from Peaveys "Ask Hartley":


Ken Kolberg Asked:

"American made Peavey amps of the past are known as the toughest, most road worthy amps in the world. Are the amps built out of country capable of living up to the high standards set by the American made amps? "




Ken,


I started building amplifiers in the late 50's. By the time I graduated from high school, I'd built quite a few amps for myself and my friends. This practice continued for most of my college career. In 1964, I decided that I wanted to build the best amps available. By the time I had graduated from college, many of the family owned music manufacturers had been bought out by huge companies like CBS, LTV, Norland, etc, etc. When I started Peavey 44 years ago (1965) I set out to do what every musician has always wished for..."good gear at fair prices"...That's what we've been doing since the company officially started June, 1 1965.


Good gear at fair prices was certainly a major objective, but another was building gear that was reliable. Some of my early amplifiers weren't as reliable as I'd hoped for, but by 1965, I had already had quite a few years of building amps under my belt. I used that experience with our first amplifiers, and every year since then, our experience has gotten better and better. One unique thing about Peavey is that we've had 44 years to EVOLVE and grow under the same ownership and management based on our own experience (as well as watching closely the techniques, circuitry, and approaches used by our competitors). Because Peavey is one of the few companies in our end of the music and sound business that has existed 44 years under the SAME OWNERSHIP and MANAGEMENT, we have the good fortune to remember history, so we've always tried to NOT make the same mistake twice. This also applies to closely observing our competitors and not making the same mistakes we've seen them make. This has resulted in Peavey having the most reliable gear available because we constantly utalize our unmatched record of experience. Interestingly, I built my first tube amp before many of the current crop of "amp gurus" were born! Yet, many of these guys claim to have some "magic"...Frankly, I doubt it. I've been in this business a long, long time and I've run into a lot of science & technology, quite a lot of technique (good and bad) and quite a bit of "art"...But NEVER any "magic." Strangely, guitar players (in particular) seem to believe in magic... I've NEVER encountered any "magic." I believe that what people don't understand they consider magic, but if you UNDERSTAND techniques and technologies, then it becomes SCIENCE.


You asked about the quality of our Chinese made gear. Early Chinese stuff was, frankly, not very good. The same was true re: Japanese goods and later Korean goods. Today, Japan makes high quality goods because they went through the "learning curve" with much of the techniques and technology "borrowed" from the USA, UK, and Europe; ditto the Koreans. For the last decade or so, China has been learning the same lessons and has progressed amazingly fast. Peavey was the LAST major manufacturer to move production of low and medium priced gear to China. We resisted that decision until it became clear that all of our competitors in those price ranges had already done so, and it was obvious that USA made gear simply could not compete pricewise with China made gear. When we finally got around to making that decision, we decided that we would design our products here, (including the packaging) and manufacture it in China using components we know and had experience with...This is in stark contrast to many of our competitors, who basically buy "off the shelf products" in China and merely change the faceplate or logo. Because Peavey designs all our products and the packaging (utilizing components that we know will work) our China made gear is apparently just as reliable as our US made gear. In spite of making a considerable amount of our low and medium priced gear in China, Peavey retains extensive manufacturing capabilities in the USA, including our recently opened 19th Street Custom Shop. All in all, we believe that our US based design, packaging, and component selection with Chinese manufacture is a good combination, which utilizes the best capabilities of our USA design team (and their vast experience) and our Chinese suppliers. Customers everywhere "claim" to want to purchase USA made product, but unfortunately, when confronted with American pricing, many opt for Chinese made goods. I suppose that's just a fact of life that has to be dealt with. In any case, I feel like we are offering the best product in every category, whether it's made in our extensive USA facilities or sourced in China (but designed in the USA).


HP
 
Our band is using the BL's Peavey XR600C (early 80's vintage, he bought it new) and a pair of 2x12 Peavey speakers. This rig has done at least 1500 gigs with never a glitch (other than having to repair a power cord). I have a pair of powered Peavey PR12P (the earliest model) that work just fine. Peavey isn't pro-gear, really, but it's pretty darn durable.
 
My main PA gear is all Peavey. Not just Peavey , but old Peavey. I have never been let down by any of it. My back up bass amp is a late 80's or early 90's Peavey and it has never let me down. I have several old Peavey cabs that I have no problem using if I need them. There is not a piece of equipment that I have that has not been seriously abused at one time or another. Ya just can't kill the stuff. If a venue that I'm playing is too small for my 8 10 (haven't had that happen in a while) The old Peavey 2 15 with a couple of Scorpions in it comes out and sounds just fine. If it's outdoors and rain on the way , the old Mark 6 gets the nod over the SVT. The Mark 6 by the way has survived a couple of rain storms. If I ever update any of my PA gear , you can bet it will have Peavey written on it. If my backup ever craps out , I'll be looking for another Mark 6 on Craigslist. I have two of them now so I'm pretty sure I'll croak before I need to look for another one.
 
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Our usual rig is a rack with an Allen & Heath board, Crown amps and JBL tops and subs. We played in a tiny bar last night and used a Peavey powered mixer and Peavey speakers (neo 15 + horn). It sounded fantastic. I have had lots of Peavey gear over the years and none of it would ever die. The power amps are especially hardy.

I think Hartley articulated the inevitability of overseas production very well but I still don't like an American company making stuff someplace else.
 
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I had such bad experiences with Peavy equipment failing in the late 70's early 80's that I'll never buy another Peavy product just on principle.
Really? I'm no fan - I think it's ugly and doesn't have a tone I care for - but I've seen a LOT of Peavey equipment tour and play with a LOT of very rough players and NEVER fail. I wish I could say the same for Marshall and Ampeg - both of which I am a fan.
 
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I disagree. The most important requirement for being considered 'pro-gear' is this: when you apply power, does it turn on?
Every piece of Peavey equipment I've ever used always did.
I agree - to me Peavey is the definition of professional equipment - super reliable and affordable for non-rockstars. Again, I personally don't own ANY, but that's a preference thing, not to do with quality.
 
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As for Chinese quality, well, it's like everywhere else, you get what you pay for. The Chinese are quite capable of making very high quality items, but they will cost more than the cheap schlock most companies turn out just to make a quick buck.

After all, China is one of only 3 nations on the planet that have successfully launched humans into space, and it takes extremely high quality technology to accomplish that...
 
I read an article in which a Chinese businessman said he was tired of the Chinese getting blamed for inferior products, he said you have to realize they make them to the specs they're given by US companies. They are quite capable of producing good quality items. Interesting thought, who says these companies aren't cutting corners building cheap items with failure built in. Its all about the bottom line. About Peavey, I used them in the 80's and never had an issue. I really liked their black widows.
 
I have used and abused Peavey products since the late 70's and have never had a product fail. Their stuff may not have the cache' some other brands do, but the important thing is that it works. Every time. While not a fan of imports, I do own a couple of their non US amps and they work just fine.
 
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As for Chinese quality, well, it's like everywhere else, you get what you pay for. The Chinese are quite capable of making very high quality items, but they will cost more...

And if you replace "Chinese" in that statement with "US made Peavey", you'll understand a lot of the perception of older Peavey equipment.

I sold Peavey PA stuff in the 80's.

People would come in and say "I don't want that Peavey 1-15" PA cabinet - I've heard that (EV/JBL/etc) is better"

I'd show them an EV cabinet for $400, and they'd say "Do you have anything that's less money?"...and they would leave with a pair of $200 Peaveys.

So, they were comparing a $200 Peavey to an EV that costs twice as much. And the consensus was that EV sounded better than Peavey. But they didn't look at the Peavey $400 cabinet that was at least of equivalent quality.

90% of the Peavey stuff we sold was the budget stuff, and that's where it got the reputation of being rugged, but of mediocre sound quality. Since Peavey had a budget line, and (EV/JBL/etc) didn't, people judged quality by what they "saw in the wild" - and that was mostly budget Peavey!
 
Interesting article... I gave the Peavey TNT some serious consideration back when I bought my Crate BX-100, and although there's lots of folks here hating on Crate tone, I found the tone from the Crate to be a LOT better than what I could get out of the Peavey.

I know a LOT of bands back in the 80s used Peavey stuff, I remember seeing them all over MTV when I was in High School (back when MTV really was MUSIC Television).

I guess if you are getting the tone YOU want to be producing out of it, it fits your budget, and is reliable, then rock that thing until the cabinet falls apart.
 
I own a lot of Peavey gear both USA and Far Eastern and there's very little between them,in fact the only problems I've
had was with USA necks but those basses are 30 years old so cut them some slack.

Old City Bassman holds similar views to my own regarding some companies and imports. I've long thought that certain models
are intentionally made inferior.

Entry level items must work,no frills just work or they lose the customer for the future.

High end must work,add the frills and charge accordingly.

Mid point is where the moneys made. Expectations are low so they can save a bundle on parts that'll get swapped out. This is particuarly
true with guitars and basses.

I understand wighat's feelings on USA companies going aboard but the world is a huge market now and only a small percentage of goods
produced are for the US, most sell in the Far East.

Been a sad week over here, on Monday they auctioned off everything at the Peavey UK site,stock,racking,cables tools the lot even the forklifts.
44 years it was open,nearly as long as Peavey itself.
 
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Favorite line from above: I used something from 40 years ago that was bad so they all are bad for ever. This mind set strikes me as funny. I've played HORRIBLE USA Fenders so using the logic all Fenders suck.

As for the subject at hand, I've always said it come down to quality control. If the company doesn't watch the manufacturer and confirm they are maintaining the specs they start having issues. If they watch it like a hawk the manufacturer will make high quality products. This is true for ANY location.

Everything you own that is electronic is at least partially made in China because that's where the use builder get's components.
 
Favorite Hartley Peavey story:

A fellow said to Hartley "I'm not interested in trying any of your amplifiers. I tried your amplifiers 20 years ago and they were junk!"

Hartley asked "When did you start playing guitar?"

The fellow said "About 20 years ago."

Hartley asked "Are you any better now that you were 20 years ago?" ;)
 
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