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Headless Hamer Status ? Is this fake ?

There´s a guy, here in my country, that´s auctioning this bass.
Headless Hamer Status with EMG active pick ups... I haven´t found any info about a hamer & status working toghether... I know Washburn did.. but i found nothing about Hamer.
What do you say ?
Here´s the bass

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Did some sniffing around and it looks like there is record of this having been sold previously in Argentina (I'm making an assumption that it's the same bass because I could find no other record of a headless Hamer/Status bass):

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I don't know if that means anything, but maybe you could contact the original seller? Seems he would have nothing to lose by telling you the deal behind it, especially since he no longer owns it.
 
Absolutely -
Check with Jol Danzig at Hamer (part of Kaman Music,) or with Rob Greene of Status. If this is legit, it may be a prototype that Hamer made when Rob was searching for a company to make low-end Stati before setting on the deal with Washburn. Rob was very tight with the Trace Elliot guys, and Trace Elliot was distributed by Kaman beginning about 1988, before Kaman eventually bought Trace Elliot, so it's very possible that a relationship between Hamer/Status may have been in the works in the early 90's. I worked with all 3 companies at different times beginning in 1986, but don't recall ever hearing about a joint venture between the 2 companies.
 
That's such an interesting bass. I've owned a Washburn Status, as well as a couple of Series II basses from the 80s, so I thought I'd throw some comments on.

I think the prototype theory sounds interesting, however, if it were a prototype for a joint-venture, I would've expected the bridge assembly to have come from Status, and my opinion is that, while it looks close, it's not a Status assembly. The tuning knobs are too small, and the saddles are too rectangular - the Status ones tended to be more square. Also, while the body shape is certainly very close, it's just a little too distant from the original shape.

Funnily enough, there's a real Washburn version available in Argentina - you could do a comparison if you wanted. http://www.masoportunidades.com.ar/aviso/4200257-bajo-washburn-status-s70-serie-1000-headless

When I saw the photos you linked to, it actually reminded me of a phenomonen that happened in Europe, and also in Australia, during the 50s and 60s. The big name brands from America, especially Fender, were not widely available, and when they were, their prices were fairly prohibitive to anyone other than pro-musicians. So what a lot of guys would do was to build their own basses, all based on pictures they cut from magazines. I can't help but get the impression that that may've been the case with the bass you've got here. The Washburn version was advertised quite a bit in a campaign using Mark King, and it's obviously the influence fot this bass. Most of the big magazines like Guitar Player would've run the adds. I can't help but think that some person has seen those ads, and been inspired to build his own, or have a luthier put one together.

Like I said, it's a pretty cool looking instrument. I'd love to know how good it is.

Have you got the link to the original auction? I'd really like to see what the head assembly looked like.
 
I recall lusting after the Washburn Status bass after seeing all those Mark King ads in the 80s. I also recall that the real Status bases featured graphite necks while the Washburn version was wood, likely maple. Now I'm presuming the Washburns did not use graphite beyound neck reinforcement because the bass would be way too expensive for the demographic they were targeting.

So my question is what's up with this "Hamer" neck? Its black but is it graphite?
 
Thank you guys !
nixdad said:
Absolutely -
Check with Jol Danzig at Hamer (part of Kaman Music,) or with Rob Greene of Status. If this is legit, it may be a prototype that Hamer made when Rob was searching for a company to make low-end Stati before setting on the deal with Washburn. Rob was very tight with the Trace Elliot guys, and Trace Elliot was distributed by Kaman beginning about 1988, before Kaman eventually bought Trace Elliot, so it's very possible that a relationship between Hamer/Status may have been in the works in the early 90's. I worked with all 3 companies at different times beginning in 1986, but don't recall ever hearing about a joint venture between the 2 companies.

Thanks man ! i´ll contact the guys at Hamer.

bassaussie said:
That's such an interesting bass. I've owned a Washburn Status, as well as a couple of Series II basses from the 80s, so I thought I'd throw some comments on.

I think the prototype theory sounds interesting, however, if it were a prototype for a joint-venture, I would've expected the bridge assembly to have come from Status, and my opinion is that, while it looks close, it's not a Status assembly. The tuning knobs are too small, and the saddles are too rectangular - the Status ones tended to be more square. Also, while the body shape is certainly very close, it's just a little too distant from the original shape.

Funnily enough, there's a real Washburn version available in Argentina - you could do a comparison if you wanted. http://www.masoportunidades.com.ar/a...-1000-headless

When I saw the photos you linked to, it actually reminded me of a phenomonen that happened in Europe, and also in Australia, during the 50s and 60s. The big name brands from America, especially Fender, were not widely available, and when they were, their prices were fairly prohibitive to anyone other than pro-musicians. So what a lot of guys would do was to build their own basses, all based on pictures they cut from magazines. I can't help but get the impression that that may've been the case with the bass you've got here. The Washburn version was advertised quite a bit in a campaign using Mark King, and it's obviously the influence fot this bass. Most of the big magazines like Guitar Player would've run the adds. I can't help but think that some person has seen those ads, and been inspired to build his own, or have a luthier put one together.

Like I said, it's a pretty cool looking instrument. I'd love to know how good it is.

Have you got the link to the original auction? I'd really like to see what the head assembly looked like.

yes ! i´ve seen the washburn status auction too.. this is kinda weird cos these basses are really rare around here... and both of them are being acuctioned on the same page.

The Hamer
http://www.masoportunidades.com.ar/...icrofonos-emg-activo-microafinador-decapitado

Descrption says.
Hamer headless neck through
EMG Active pick ups Made in USA
Microtuners, gigbag and blah blah blah

483 US dolars

The Washburn status
http://www.masoportunidades.com.ar/aviso/4200257-bajo-washburn-status-s70-serie-1000-headless

833 US dolars

Hmmmmm. GAS Level +1 ;)
 
I recall lusting after the Washburn Status bass after seeing all those Mark King ads in the 80s. I also recall that the real Status bases featured graphite necks while the Washburn version was wood, likely maple. Now I'm presuming the Washburns did not use graphite beyound neck reinforcement because the bass would be way too expensive for the demographic they were targeting.

So my question is what's up with this "Hamer" neck? Its black but is it graphite?

As you said, the real Status basses had a graphite neck. The Series II was a through neck with wooden wings, the Series 2000 was all graphite. The Washburn bass vaguely looks like a Series II.

The Washburn had an all wood through neck. The finish on it was black, obviously to look like graphite. I think they had it advertised as being carbon reinforced or something like that.
 
Thank you guys !


Thanks man ! i´ll contact the guys at Hamer.



yes ! i´ve seen the washburn status auction too.. this is kinda weird cos these basses are really rare around here... and both of them are being acuctioned on the same page.

The Hamer
http://www.masoportunidades.com.ar/...icrofonos-emg-activo-microafinador-decapitado

Descrption says.
Hamer headless neck through
EMG Active pick ups Made in USA
Microtuners, gigbag and blah blah blah

483 US dolars

The Washburn status
http://www.masoportunidades.com.ar/aviso/4200257-bajo-washburn-status-s70-serie-1000-headless

833 US dolars

Hmmmmm. GAS Level +1 ;)

Thanks for the links.

If you look at the head assembly on the "Hamer" bass, and compare it to the Washburn, you'll see they're not really alike. In fact, although the builder has got the basic look correct, he's not been able to figure out how to use double ball end strings. To be honest, there's a very good chance the builder may not have known that these sorts of strings were available for use with basses like Status and Steinberger. I will say, though, that the head assembly is a little more similar to the original Status unit, but I can't find a photo of one. But again, that still used double ball end strings.

"Hamer"

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Washburn

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Looks EXACTLY like my washburn status series 1000 (minus the logo.) Even the bridge, blacck neck, end of neck, back plate, bridge saddles. Exact to a tee.

are you looking at the bottom picture?

heres the one I currently own:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shikisushi/sets/72157622470504738/

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Washburns had the output on the front side of the bass
also brass bridge with Status logo

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They also had the brass endpiece and a zero fret (no nut)

Also had 2 cavity covers in the back
one for the electronics
and the other for the 9volt battery
the bevels on the horns and alongside the body are missing
plus the contour of the neck heel is thicker on the Washburn

I dont think its a Series 1000
but who knows it may have been a limited release bass
 

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