High pass filter question

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by rdk, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. rdk

    rdk

    May 28, 2011
    Is the high pass filter the same IDEA in a 2x12 and horn PA cab as it is in a 2x15 and tweeter bass cab?
     
  2. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    If you mean that on the tweeter, which is half the crossover, the answer is yes.
     
  3. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    What are you looking to do? The PA cab would (should) have an LPF in it as well, if you're looking at moving some parts over.
     
  4. rdk

    rdk

    May 28, 2011
    We have an empty 2x15 PA cab. We bought 2 Delta Pro 15a to throw in it. Still need to put a horn in it. I was thinking of crossing over at about 15k. If I use these 8ohm drivers wired in parallel, do I still use a 4 ohm tweeter? And if so, would my cap be a 27UF?
     
  5. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    The HPF would be calculated for the tweeters impedanve at the crossover frequency regardless of the woofer impedance. I assume you mean 1.5khz, not 15. That calls for a quality mid/high horn and driver, a 3rd order filter, not a single cap, and a 2nd order LPF for the woofers.
     
  6. seamonkey

    seamonkey

    Aug 6, 2004
    Not much above 15khz that is usable.
    Consider FM Stereo Radio, it has no audio content above 15khz
    the Delta are going to cut off well before 15khz
    A midrange horn with a real crossover and a tweeter with a real crossover would be best.
     
  7. rdk

    rdk

    May 28, 2011
    Oops. Yea meant 1.5
     
  8. rdk

    rdk

    May 28, 2011
    Ok. What instances would you just use a first order? I thought they were pretty common and often used in a 2 driver system such as a 2x15 and tweeter?
     
  9. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    At the very least you need to use a 3rd order highpass, and the woofers must be low passed as well.
    When you want to blow your horn midway through its first gig. :crying:
     
  10. rdk

    rdk

    May 28, 2011
    Thanks Bill and Will. Let me start over here. I have a million questions to ask since I am now confused considering I thought that my Madison 4x10 bass cab was a first order and I'm confused as to what the main difference is in that and the 2x15/horn PA.

    Well, I'm just now learning crossovers. I have been using the formula

    C=159,000/F x R

    I assume F is the desired crossover frequency? Is that correct? Is this a good way to calculate?
     
  11. will33

    will33

    May 22, 2006
    austin,tx
    Some bass cabs do use 1st order, and it defines cheap. You basically can't get any cheaper. They set them up at 5-6khz. It makes them sound very harsh, causing players to turn them at least down if not off, thereby saving the tweeter, at least temporarily. Yet, there are still countless threads about blown tweeters, and Talkbass might be 2% of all the blown tweeters out there. IMO, if they do it that way, they shouldn't waste any time or money doing it at all.

    Somebody with more experience than I would have to help with your calculations.
     
  12. billfitzmaurice

    billfitzmaurice Commercial User

    Sep 15, 2004
    New Hampshire
    Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
    Passive Crossover Slopes
     
  13. rdk

    rdk

    May 28, 2011
    Will,
    This makes sense.
    A: the Madison 4x10 I have sucks
    B: the tweeter is blown ha ha