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How Important is good frontman in a band?

Hello Everyone! I'm currently having a dilemma on my current trio band. I'm losing my interest already after our third gig. Our leader is just not a good frontman for the band. His voice is bland (below average) and his personality on stage is non existent. He prefers to dial his amp during break rather than talking to the crowd. He sometimes forget a line or two and a few chords on a song. He is a great guitarist though.

He and the drummer are good dudes and I really want to be in the band. The drummer and I already suggested to the leader that we need a vocalist but he insisted that he will improve soon enough. I don't have time with that though, I feel embarrassed everytime we are performing onstage.

How important is good frontman for you? Will you leave a band if you don't like his voice and onstage presence?



Don't worry, our vocalist is not that terrible.

:)

(disclaimer: we are not the band in the video. I just post it for fun.)


a good frontman is REQUIRED!. This is not an option.
 
I would stick with that band... they will become more famous for being bad than 95% of us will become being good....
My current band the lead singer is an awesome singer but not a Front Man. People love the music but are not always entertained. I have accepted it... the most popular band in town is way more entertaining but not as good musically.
 
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a front person is of primary importance for most bands. they're the person who gets the audience to connect with the band. and off-key singing is a great way to make sure the band doesn't develop a following.

i would have left before any gigs. rehearsal with that guy would have told me everything i needed to know.
 
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Maybe more important than a backing band. For better or worse, the frontperson become the focal point and person that the audience is most likely to connect to when they see the show AND hear the music. They’re the face of the brand that a band is, and like it or not it’s hard to become commercially successful without the right frontperson for the band’s sound and vibe (Miley Cyrus wouldn’t be a good match for Avenged Sevenfold, and Robert Plant wouldn’t sound right if fronting The Eagles).
 
A good frontman is everything. So is a good singer. Now a bad singer can be a great frontman, and a bad frontman can be a great singer, but a bad singer who's a bad frontman as well will never get your band anywhere. Ideally you want the combination of a good frontman and a good singer.
 
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I'd say if your singer is committed to getting better, you might want to give him a chance. There was a time when our singer was our weak link, but he was devoted to improving, and now his voice is the signature of our band. When he got more confident with his singing he became a more dynamic front man. That said, depending on what kind of music you're doing, it can take immense pressure off a singer/guitarist if there is another competent guitarist in the band, who can take leads etc.

Also, I am annoyed with talking between songs, myself... just play. if someone asks me how im doing (rhetorically), i often have the urge to leave. if someone asks me to buy merch, i'm done. if you put together a compelling show of good musical material, you don't need to say much, if anything. imo
 
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Hello Everyone! I'm currently having a dilemma on my current trio band. I'm losing my interest already after our third gig. Our leader is just not a good frontman for the band. His voice is bland (below average) and his personality on stage is non existent. He prefers to dial his amp during break rather than talking to the crowd. He sometimes forget a line or two and a few chords on a song. He is a great guitarist though.

He and the drummer are good dudes and I really want to be in the band. The drummer and I already suggested to the leader that we need a vocalist but he insisted that he will improve soon enough. I don't have time with that though, I feel embarrassed everytime we are performing onstage.

How important is good frontman for you? Will you leave a band if you don't like his voice and onstage presence?
It's everything! And if this unprofessional dude wants to be that: Guess what? You will regress,resent and retire! Ok don't retire, but I,ve been a drummer and singer/frontman so to speak, from my set and it works. Even when you get a Lead Vocalist A must!!! (Because I'll walk out if singer sucks, most all club patrons will also) =No Gigs. Anyway, I think You knew this halfway through the 2nd time he embarrassed you? And, You are Good Looking, "Smile and Talk to People" And throw out a couple of my lines I use. Welcome, we are___#2 Always remind people" It is buy the band a drink night" then do a Bass Pluck!/rim shot on drums etc. Wake People Up. They are there to have FUN. You have Fun and your crowd will.#3 Also every set, twice sometimes Tell Folks "Please Remember to tip your Waitress's and Bartenders, there working hard so you can Party/Have Fun u pick. Also"You'll get Lots of love from Staff, and guess what You are interacting with the crowd. Its your show, your party. You'll do great!!! If it was easy everybody would be in a band.
You Insist You won't be embarrassed, "A good musician doesn't forget songs! Be a guitar player 1st and foremost idiot.
Good Luck: Stony in Dayton. aka GrandPaw38
 
A good frontman is everything. If you have a GREAT singer you can certainly get by if they have zero frontman ability because of their pipes.

If you have a good singer who just stands there and the other choice is an OK singer who lights up the room?

Every audience will love the OK singer and have more fun at those shows.

My opinion is the most important thing will always be the songs. There are never enough great songs and more than enough who can sing. This is why shows like The Voice exist and also why winners of the show disappear.

The show is super fun when you have outstanding and good vocalists singing great songs.

Once that vocalist is on their own and the quality of their songs is never as good as on the show? Well, middle America just says, "NEXT" and is ready for the new season of again capable vocalists singing great songs again and then rinse and repeat.

So, great songs are more important than anything else followed by a frontman. If you have good/great songs and a good/great frontman you can ride off into the sunset with average guitarists, bassist and drummer because you guys are mining gold. Ok, maybe not gold. Those days are pretty much done but you will earn and "make it".

Frontmen are super rare. Vocalists are not. This is why Idol and X Factor and The Voice have long lines of people with vocal chops. One look at YouTube and you will find plenty of guys and gals with vocal chops just like there are guitarists for days.

This then goes back to great songs because that vocalist you found on YouTube ALWAYS sounds better when it's a song that is great. Now take that great vocalist and put them on a stage in front of a live audience and they'd better have virtuoso chops if they are just going to stand there and not put forth any energy.

David Lee Roth is the perfect example of good enough vocals paired with once in a lifetime charisma and true frontman ability. Chris Cornell certainly was the better vocalist and definitely a rock star but Cornell never captivated as many people as Roth did and still does.

Robert Plant is a true frontman only he has the chops to go with it so in Plant you had the PERFECT rock n roll frontman. Michael Hutchence was a perfect frontman and he had charisma to burn which was why INXS could not go on because Hutchence was so irreplaceable. JD Fortune had charisma and was good enough vocally but he just didn't have that little bit more of what Hutchence had and as a result he fell short.

You can always find a better guitarist, better bassist, better drummer, better singer, write better songs, get better gear and all of that will improve your band considerably.

But a frontman and a true one at that is worth their weight in gold which is why LSD (Lead Singer Disease) is a real thing. These guys are the stars of the show and they know it and even if their chops are not what the other members of the band possess, everyone in the band knows that without that star they don't have a show since the frontman is what separates them from a billion other bands jockeying for stage time.

I am a stand up comic and in comedy this is absolutely true as you can have someone with the best material but if they lack charisma and cannot deliver it well, they just won't get over.

On the contrary, you can have someone with hack material but if they have charisma for days and perfect timing and just star making delivery?

Well, look at Andrew Dice Clay and Dane Cook who have both sold out Madison Square Garden and gone platinum while you have some comics like Patton Oswalt or Jim Norton who still play clubs.

Frontmen make the audience pay attention to their every single move. This is also true for another industry I have worked in which is pro wrestling. You can have someone who is ripped to shreds and can wrestle move for move better than anyone else and if he can't cut a promo or come out of that curtain like a star it means he will be putting on 5 star matches in the local gym while the guy who "can't wrestle" sells out stadiums.

See Hulk Hogan.

So, yeah, a good or great frontman is so important in a band that it will make the difference in you playing the local watering hole every Saturday or being in demand everywhere else with a following that is far more than your friends on Facebook who come out to see you weekly.

The average patron of live music is not looking to sit on their hands and listen to audio perfection with the greatest of tone.

They are looking to have a good time and that is exactly what the frontman brings to the table. They are the show and when that light is on them, the audience is not busy checking their phones unless they are livestreaming it to show everyone else they know just what they are missing out on by not being there.

Sorry for such a ridiculously long winded rant but I am an ardent believer in what charisma and starpower can do and it damned sure means more than the stuff we focus on as bass players such as string gauge and our tone.

Nobody will deny Michael Anthony's contributions to Van Halen but while Eddie was the once in a lifetime talent, it was David Lee Roth who made them larger than life.

Because Gary Cherone just couldn't fill those same shoes and Eddie alone was never enough as fans and casuals always wanted to know just when DLR was going to come back.

Why?

The importance of a frontman can never be overstated.
 
A good frontman is everything. If you have a GREAT singer you can certainly get by if they have zero frontman ability because of their pipes.

If you have a good singer who just stands there and the other choice is an OK singer who lights up the room?

Every audience will love the OK singer and have more fun at those shows.

My opinion is the most important thing will always be the songs. There are never enough great songs and more than enough who can sing. This is why shows like The Voice exist and also why winners of the show disappear.

The show is super fun when you have outstanding and good vocalists singing great songs.

Once that vocalist is on their own and the quality of their songs is never as good as on the show? Well, middle America just says, "NEXT" and is ready for the new season of again capable vocalists singing great songs again and then rinse and repeat.

So, great songs are more important than anything else followed by a frontman. If you have good/great songs and a good/great frontman you can ride off into the sunset with average guitarists, bassist and drummer because you guys are mining gold. Ok, maybe not gold. Those days are pretty much done but you will earn and "make it".

Frontmen are super rare. Vocalists are not. This is why Idol and X Factor and The Voice have long lines of people with vocal chops. One look at YouTube and you will find plenty of guys and gals with vocal chops just like there are guitarists for days.

This then goes back to great songs because that vocalist you found on YouTube ALWAYS sounds better when it's a song that is great. Now take that great vocalist and put them on a stage in front of a live audience and they'd better have virtuoso chops if they are just going to stand there and not put forth any energy.

David Lee Roth is the perfect example of good enough vocals paired with once in a lifetime charisma and true frontman ability. Chris Cornell certainly was the better vocalist and definitely a rock star but Cornell never captivated as many people as Roth did and still does.

Robert Plant is a true frontman only he has the chops to go with it so in Plant you had the PERFECT rock n roll frontman. Michael Hutchence was a perfect frontman and he had charisma to burn which was why INXS could not go on because Hutchence was so irreplaceable. JD Fortune had charisma and was good enough vocally but he just didn't have that little bit more of what Hutchence had and as a result he fell short.

You can always find a better guitarist, better bassist, better drummer, better singer, write better songs, get better gear and all of that will improve your band considerably.

But a frontman and a true one at that is worth their weight in gold which is why LSD (Lead Singer Disease) is a real thing. These guys are the stars of the show and they know it and even if their chops are not what the other members of the band possess, everyone in the band knows that without that star they don't have a show since the frontman is what separates them from a billion other bands jockeying for stage time.

I am a stand up comic and in comedy this is absolutely true as you can have someone with the best material but if they lack charisma and cannot deliver it well, they just won't get over.

On the contrary, you can have someone with hack material but if they have charisma for days and perfect timing and just star making delivery?

Well, look at Andrew Dice Clay and Dane Cook who have both sold out Madison Square Garden and gone platinum while you have some comics like Patton Oswalt or Jim Norton who still play clubs.

Frontmen make the audience pay attention to their every single move. This is also true for another industry I have worked in which is pro wrestling. You can have someone who is ripped to shreds and can wrestle move for move better than anyone else and if he can't cut a promo or come out of that curtain like a star it means he will be putting on 5 star matches in the local gym while the guy who "can't wrestle" sells out stadiums.

See Hulk Hogan.

So, yeah, a good or great frontman is so important in a band that it will make the difference in you playing the local watering hole every Saturday or being in demand everywhere else with a following that is far more than your friends on Facebook who come out to see you weekly.

The average patron of live music is not looking to sit on their hands and listen to audio perfection with the greatest of tone.

They are looking to have a good time and that is exactly what the frontman brings to the table. They are the show and when that light is on them, the audience is not busy checking their phones unless they are livestreaming it to show everyone else they know just what they are missing out on by not being there.

Sorry for such a ridiculously long winded rant but I am an ardent believer in what charisma and starpower can do and it damned sure means more than the stuff we focus on as bass players such as string gauge and our tone.

Nobody will deny Michael Anthony's contributions to Van Halen but while Eddie was the once in a lifetime talent, it was David Lee Roth who made them larger than life.

Because Gary Cherone just couldn't fill those same shoes and Eddie alone was never enough as fans and casuals always wanted to know just when DLR was going to come back.

Why?

The importance of a frontman can never be overstated.

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Yep. I'm still in the band but I'm already talking to someone about forming a new band. I'm still hoping that the band leader will change his mind and get a new vocalist/frontman.




I will try my best to break with them in good terms. They are nice people and I want to be friends with them as much as possible.
Even if one thinks they have a good reason (you were dissed, cheated on, blah, blah), leaving on bad terms is always a bad idea. Just quietly shake the dust off your feet and move forward. A life well lived is the best revenge.
 
As frontman you are on this team called band,. Everyone practices their instruments -you need to be prepared and have your routine ready as well. Be ready to carry the equipment. Be the first in and last out -make sure everyone is paid and happy. Show up to each rehearsal and be great! Make sure those people are dancing and drinking and smiling. It helps to have no shyness and fear of crowds. Take the wrecking train get it back on the track and drive it home for the win. Get in the audience during breaks and meet everyone and make sure they like you and your product. Some things that helped me with some of these skills is
jamming alone to Van Halen and pretending to be David Lee. Dancing in clubs by myself. For vocal skills and confidence I Youtube some good excersizes that sometimes make you sound like a idiot :) GI GI GI GI GI GI GI,MAH MAH MAH MAH
You get the picture... ;)
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