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How to Not Annoy My Neighbor

Before we bought our house, we lived in an apartment and then in a townhouse. We left the apartment because of the folks upstairs. No HOA though. The kid was bouncing a ball that was really annoying. Then someone was in a rocking chair in a room just above our bedroom. Wouldn't stop until after midnight. We didn't complain. Just broke our lease and moved. The townhouse was better because there was no one above us or below us but..............the outer walls were so thin, you could hear folks outside in the parking lot and they would congregate just outside our door. The guy next door played guitar and would serenade his girl. We knew it was time to find our own house. Communal living is an acquired taste or you're just used to it. They don't make units like they used to. I've stayed in apartments in the Bronx (NY) and unless someone was obnoxiously loud, you would not hear a thing from another apartment. Not only that, the sounds of people outside along with the trains was mostly white noise. That man most likely never lived in an apartment before.
 
Seems like you have what you need to sue for harassment, may get you a free Mesa Boogie Subway head with 3 cab stack and a new bass guitar of your choice : )

His insurance would likely settle out of court for 10k+, and he may even move.
I actually did contact an attorney about it, waiting to hear back. But my understanding is it's hard to win harassment suits, and legal fees would be thousands of dollars, so probably not really worth it.
 
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I actually did contact an attorney about it, waiting to hear back. But my understanding is it's hard to win harassment suits, and legal fees would be thousands of dollars, so probably not really worth it.
I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but for the sake of being able to practice your bass here I go!

Simply shop around till you find one that will do it on a contingency basis, they will take about 40 percent of the settlement. It may take two dozen to find one that is willing. It is such a small dollar value case that you need to come off as totally peaceful/rational/calm and willing to file and settle for anything your attorney can get with no dreams of "fighting" the case. Attorney shopping can be frustrating. All the info the first one asked for will be asked for one question at time, be each of them, and you need take notes about each attny or you will lose track of who you gave what info to and had which conversations with. Assemble a stack of paper, a packet.

You can also consider small claims court, all you are looking for here is something in principal that tells that guy he is the one doing wrong since he seems clueless.

Which means that you must be perfect.

Best wishes for shutting this guy down, he is essentially not letting you live reasonably inside the walls of your home. Seems like you have the management on your side and even if that is all you ever get out of this be satisfied on principal and stay cool, like bass players do : )
 
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I live in a condo, and I have a very cranky neighbor who lives below me and complains if he hears my bass at all. I've been trying to get him to give me feedback, so I can figure out settings on my amp that I can hear to play along to music, but that won't bother him. However, he refuses to cooperate. So I have to figure this out on my own. (I don't practice loud, btw. The amp and music I play along to are at a volume you can have a conversation without raising your voice. I've got the bass turned down almost all the way on the amp.)

1. Obviously, I could just practice with headphones, and if I have to, that's what I'll do. But I'm wondering if there's maybe a way that I can practice through an amp without him hearing it (his living room is below my living room, unfortunately). As far as headphones, I'm looking at Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80 ohm.

2. My current amp is a Boss Katana 210. It has a 1 watt setting. I haven't been using it because it doesn't sound as good. But maybe if I use that he won't hear it?

3. I was wondering if I got a Fender Rumble 25, if that would be soft/weak enough he wouldn't hear it, but would sound better than the Katana at 1 watt.

I appreciate any thoughts or advice anyone has.
I do not have cranky neighbors, I have a wife..lol..seriously, out of respect for her, I use an effects pedal (Digitech BR 355) for practice when she is home. It has a few amp models tons of effects mixable media in and head phone out. For me this is a much better experience than using the headphone out of an amp, or playing through an amp, just cracked open.
 
I actually did contact an attorney about it, waiting to hear back. But my understanding is it's hard to win harassment suits, and legal fees would be thousands of dollars, so probably not really worth it.
From what you've said, the guy is just complaining to the board? Unless you have a problem with the outcome from the board, just try to not go overboard on this. If he shows up and starts banging on your door, or gets threatening, then you may have cause for legal action, but so far that doesn't seem to be the case. I live in L.A, where neighbor disputes can really get out of hands, and firearms get involved, or police are called to do "Wellfare Checks" in hopes of getting a neighbor locked up on 72 hour hold. Or SWATed. calm and steady on the tiller is the way to go. Turn the amp down, choose playing hours carefully, get headphones, all of the above. Regarding walking around, levitate!
 
I practice exclusively through headphones to keep the spouse happy. If you are not a musician, listening to someone practicing can be intolerable, not just the noise but the constant repetition, over and over, is what we have to do to improve. Listening to someone play scales or the same song for an hour is more than most non-musicians can take.
Or you can buy the headphones for your wife? Scales can be very musical, if you play them to be so. Play in intervals, play off the modes, it changes up the sound and breaks repetition, and they sound like music? Rich Brown on the Brown'sTone channel on Youtube has a good lesson on this subject. Practice doesn't have to be boring.
 
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I had a neighbor who would call the police when my band practiced. So I mounted a camera facing the street and a video monitor in the band room. As soon as we saw the police coming down the street we would stop playing even if it was in the middle of a song. The police would hang out for 5 minutes or so and leave. Then we would start practicing again. Neighbor finally gave up calling.
 
Or you can buy the headphones for your wife? Scales can be very musical, if you play them to be so. Play in intervals, play off the modes, it changes up the sound and breaks repetition, and they sound like music? Rich Brown on the Brown'sTone channel on Youtube has a good lesson on this subject. Practice doesn't have to be boring.
Oh I do play scales musically, mostly doing parts of the scale through different chords in a key. She doesn't like to listen to anyone, even a group practicing. After 40 years I am not going to change her. She would rather watch a Hallmark movie.
 
Oh I do play scales musically, mostly doing parts of the scale through different chords in a key. She doesn't like to listen to anyone, even a group practicing. After 40 years I am not going to change her. She would rather watch a Hallmark movie.
Yeah, my wife just ignores me. Sometimes she comes in to the bedroom to see what I am playing, hangs out for 2 minutes, and then leaves with only a glance at my empty tip jar, and closes the door, turns up her TV in the living room. Only thing that irritates her is when I buy another bass (already have 5). Then it's like "well, I see you can spend money, what about me?"
 
I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but for the sake of being able to practice your bass here I go!

Simply shop around till you find one that will do it on a contingency basis, they will take about 40 percent of the settlement. It may take two dozen to find one that is willing. It is such a small dollar value case that you need to come off as totally peaceful/rational/calm and willing to file and settle for anything your attorney can get with no dreams of "fighting" the case. Attorney shopping can be frustrating. All the info the first one asked for will be asked for one question at time, be each of them, and you need take notes about each attny or you will lose track of who you gave what info to and had which conversations with. Assemble a stack of paper, a packet.

You can also consider small claims court, all you are looking for here is something in principal that tells that guy he is the one doing wrong since he seems clueless.

Which means that you must be perfect.

Best wishes for shutting this guy down, he is essentially not letting you live reasonably inside the walls of your home. Seems like you have the management on your side and even if that is all you ever get out of this be satisfied on principal and stay cool, like bass players do : )
Wow, thanks for all the info. I really appreciate it. I'll definitely look into this.

Unfortunately for him, all of the interactions I've had with him, and the majority with the board, have been over email, so I have everything in writing. Including when he claimed we caused damage in his ceiling, and the HOA manager (who worked a long time as a contractor) saying that it was obviously damage that had been there a long time.

We also figured out (over email) that the damage likely happened when the bathroom floor of my unit was replaced, which was done two owners ago, so quite some time ago.

I reached out to one attorney and sent them a bunch of information they asked for, so I'll see what they say. There are also plenty of other attorneys in the area.
 
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I have this tiny Blackstar rig as backup to my SWR Baby Blue 2 (before my Rumble100). I got it expressly as an alternative to the larger amp just in case the bigger amp annoyed neighbors, but then found out it wasn't needed. Every once in awhile I plug into it, especially if it's outside my normal playing hours. It's loud enough to be heard, but not to penetrate walls. Not exactly hifi though, but it has its merits? Sits on a desk where I can hear it without it being even loud. Might work for the OP?
 

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As much as I dislike practicing under headphones, it sounds to me as though the only solution that is going to mollify your neighbor is for you to forgo the amp altogether and use headphones.
I dislike this framing of the question. That makes it sound like the neighbor's the one with the problem. He's not. No one sensible is happy when thump thump boom boom boom comes through the walls day and night. It is an incredible source of stress. There are studies showing how low level noise increases blood pressure.

I have lived under Subwoofer Sammy before, and it's one of the reasons I've sworn never to share walls again unless I'm so old and dotty that they have to cart me off to the assisted living - by which time hopefully I'll be deaf and can't hear it.
 
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I try to keep volumes low, but no matter how low I get it the C# on the A string always seems to rattle everything. I always stop at around 6:15pm since I have to go to bed early for work. I wake up at around 2:00am, have a bowl of cereal and then play my basses with a Fender Mustang Micro Plus and Sony MRD-V6 headphones for about an hour before going to work.

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So basically if you have any neighbors who work second or third shift, you're telling them to pound sand, their sleep isn't as important as your noise.
 
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Unless you have concrete between you and your neighbor, you' re not both going to be satisfied with an amp situation. Either you won't be able to hear what your are playing or your neighbor will be annoyed (or both). With headphones, you and your neighbor will both be happier. I've been practicing in headphones and gigging with IEM's for quite a few years now - I don't really hear myself through speakers anymore, but I do feel What comes out of the PA in my feet.
Low frequencies will travel beautifully in concrete. Have you ever tapped a piece of concrete with a hammer?
 
Low frequencies will travel beautifully in concrete. Have you ever tapped a piece of concrete with a hammer?
Tapping a piece of concrete with a hammer (a dense, solid object) is very different than what happens when a low frequency acoustic wave hits it - the vastly different density (air vs concrete is not a fair fight) means the acoustic wave bounces off the boundary, with very little of the energy actually getting into the concrete.


Figure 3 shows that, in the 50 to 80Hz range, the concrete wall is considerably better than a stud wall - the description says as much as 27 dB, which is a LOT.
 
Tapping a piece of concrete with a hammer (a dense, solid object) is very different than what happens when a low frequency acoustic wave hits it - the vastly different density (air vs concrete is not a fair fight) means the acoustic wave bounces off the boundary, with very little of the energy actually getting into the concrete.


Figure 3 shows that, in the 50 to 80Hz range, the concrete wall is considerably better than a stud wall - the description says as much as 27 dB, which is a LOT.
Well, sure, compared to a stud wall which might as well be paper for all the good it does to attenuate low frequencies.

The concrete gets you part way there, it gives you mass.

You still have to get isolation, sealing, and most difficult of all, damping.

None of this is practical in an already-built structure without really quite a lot of expense.

And I want to point out for those of you who will now insist on telling your tales of the place you lived where the Buddy Rich band could rehearse upstairs at 2 am and you'd never hear them because it was "so well built" - the number of real estate agents or leasing agents who will let you tear into the wall of your candidate apartment to see just how well it IS built, is exactly ZERO.

So if you're going to share walls, you're pretty much buying a pig in a poke as to quality of construction and noise isolation from neighboring units. Of COURSE the agent will swear that nobody ever hears anything from a neighboring unit, and then you get in there and find out you can hear every time the guy in the next apartment combs his hair.
 
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Well, sure, compared to a stud wall which might as well be paper for all the good it does to attenuate low frequencies.

The concrete gets you part way there, it gives you mass.

You still have to get isolation, sealing, and most difficult of all, damping.

None of this is practical in an already-built structure without really quite a lot of expense.

And I want to point out for those of you who will now insist on telling your tales of the place you lived where the Buddy Rich band could rehearse upstairs at 2 am and you'd never hear them because it was "so well built" - the number of real estate agents or leasing agents who will let you tear into the wall of your candidate apartment to see just how well it IS built, is exactly ZERO.

So if you're going to share walls, you're pretty much buying a pig in a poke as to quality of construction and noise isolation from neighboring units. Of COURSE the agent will swear that nobody ever hears anything from a neighboring unit, and then you get in there and find out you can hear every time the guy in the next apartment combs his hair.
This is how you do it. Find an apartment on top floor, with 14 foot ceilings, where the bedroom is located on corner of building, separated from any neighboring apartments by at least 4 other walls which contain plywood, not just wallboard. Make sure the unit has A/C and keep the double insulated windows closed. Make sure building is built to modern code, meaning it will have 8 inches of fire insulation, including concrete "thinsulate" fire/sound insulation, in floor. Make sure bedroom is carpeted. Close the door to the bedroom before you play and set the amp just loud enough so you can hear clearly what you are playing. Turn down low bass on the EQ, raise low and upper mids. Now, make sure traffic on the 6 lane busy roadway outside is flowing at typical high rates during mid day working hours. Result = Nobody below you or in neighboring units is going to hear you play, as long as you follow those rules.

I found that set-up. Here's a pic. The Rumble100 is in the corner, a few inches from wall, on the floor. You cannot even hear it in adjoining living room when I play at hose settings. End of story.
 

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This is how you do it. Find an apartment on top floor, with 14 foot ceilings, where the bedroom is located on corner of building, separated from any neighboring apartments by at least 4 other walls which contain plywood, not just wallboard. Make sure the unit has A/C and keep the double insulated windows closed. Make sure building is built to modern code, meaning it will have 8 inches of fire insulation, including concrete "thinsulate" fire/sound insulation, in floor. Make sure bedroom is carpeted. Close the door to the bedroom before you play and set the amp just loud enough so you can hear clearly what you are playing. Turn down low bass on the EQ, raise low and upper mids. Now, make sure traffic on the 6 lane busy roadway outside is flowing at typical high rates during mid day working hours. Result = Nobody below you or in neighboring units is going to hear you play, as long as you follow those rules.

I found that set-up. Here's a pic. The Rumble100 is in the corner, a few inches from wall, on the floor. You cannot even hear it in adjoining living room when I play at hose settings. End of story.
It all comes down to what options one has and what it takes to add to them if it's worth it, being creative helps. I was resident manager (which meant that I was paid to have a free aparrment in an expense area AND WAS IN CHARGE OF NOISE COMPLAINTS, ironic : ) for a third of a city block at the corner of Hayes and Gough in SF, had a pair of Peavey stacks, a small drum kit, and no complaints. I picked a ground floor room in a building with tenants that stayed up late, and across the little courtyard from my rooms bay window was a wine bar's window behind the bar itself. Friday and Saturday evenings that window was open and they were loud.

: )
 
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