Hey John, are you gonna do that knife/dogs/boar hunting thang this year? Please tell us about this method of killing; it's quite romantic. 
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John Sprague
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Wow... normal people and normal conversation... quite a change from the electric bass side 
(My first post here )
My deer season was pretty bad because FGD messed up in paper work and I never got my tag or anything. Oh well there is always next year and few of my friends had good luck this year so I am eating good anyways
Turkey hunt and wild pig is defiantly on my list of doing That stuff taste good But bow
thats got to be very hard:/ Although I heard people hunting bear with bows
that imo is insane
Cheers fellas
(My first post here ) My deer season was pretty bad because FGD messed up in paper work and I never got my tag or anything. Oh well there is always next year and few of my friends had good luck this year so I am eating good anyways
Turkey hunt and wild pig is defiantly on my list of doing
That stuff taste good But bow
thats got to be very hard:/ Although I heard people hunting bear with bows
that imo is insane Cheers fellas
I've still got my fingers crossed- I've got another week. I'm hoping I can do what I did in 2003- had my doe gutted, skinned, & hanging in cold storage by the time my hubby got home from duck hunting. But, no pressure- he got his deer, even if he did miss out on his elk.
John Sprague
Sam Shen's US Distributor
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That's great Dbgal, I envy couples that both hunt. Good luck next week! Been a quiet season here in NY, I think the deer start laughing as soon as I get out of the truck.
The most successful deer hunter I know is a friend who bagged three in one year- two with a Ford Ranger, and one with a 737.
David Kaczorowski said:
So now, help me out here. I own a ranch in South Dakota. Its teeming with ringnecks and turkey. Right now I only use it a couple times a year and so I don't keep any dogs there on the place. But I plan to relocate there in a few years and I want to get at least 1 good bird dog for pheasant hunting. Can you advise me on the best breed for this and also where to go to get some tips on training the dog? I'll be gratefull for some tips, advice, leads, etc,
STRONGBOW said:
We'll try this again- I just wrote a treatise on dogs, but it got nuked when I tried to post it. So, the short story: We have both a lab & a German shorthair: both are good all around hunters, but the lab has a much nicer personality & was much easier to train. We've known folks with wirehair pointers, Springers, & English spaniels, but in my opinion (I know someone's going to get upset here) these breeds are high strung & more challenging to control. They are very good hunters, though if that's your primary consideration. Talk to breeders & hunting club members, and friends who have various breeds. Meet as many different dogs as possible so you can figure out breed characteristics. Go to breed websites & research them. I'd say that just about any hunting breed will do what you need it to do if you spend the time training it.
As for training tips, my husband used Gun Dog by Richard Wolters to train the shorthair, & Water Dog by the same author for the lab. I see that Wolters has a book called Game Dog that shows you how to train your retriever for both upland birds & waterfowl. Heere's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/05...002-2761090-7534454?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
If I was in your position, I'd look really hard at a lab because they're great all-around dogs, easy to live with, easy to train and handle, and have a coat that will keep them warm. You'll probably be happier in the long run if you get your dog through a breeder, but make sure he/she comes from field lines, not trial or show lines. You might get a discount if you don't get the papers- our shorthair was $250 with papers, but only $35 without. Female dogs are usually a little easier to manage, but you'll want her spayed unless you want to breed her. The males tend to be more bull-headed & often get wanderlust, especially if they aren't neutered (no offense guys, just stating my observations
)Good luck!!
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Morning all,
I glad that there's a section for whatever here on TalkBass, since we are humans with other interests.
To touch on a few subjects already discussed, I've owned 2 Labs and would love to own another and may at a later time. The first was a black male, Barney (named after Fife), born the month we bought our house in October of 1990. He lived 5 years and was a wonderful pet.
The second was a yellow male named Carter (after Ralph Stanley's brother). He was the one. Afraid of water at first, since I tried to introduce him to it at too early an age. He got over that, though. We would get on tubes at our favorite creek swimming hole and throw sticks into the deep water and Carter would tow us with his tail. He lived to be 8.
Now to the hunting. My Daddy has bear hunted for 45-50 years. He's raised and maintained dogs for this all during that time. I had the pleasure of bagging my first (and only) bear with Pop in 1987. So much music, no time for hunting now, for me, at least.
Bear hunting is dangerous. Over the years they've lost dogs due to being hit by vehicles, falling over cliffs (while in pursuit) even being shot by other stupid non-hunters while loose on a hunt.
This year was different. On Oct 26th, they truned dogs loose on a very powerful 385 pound male black bear. Now, mind you, when in college, I wrote research papers on these animals and know that the black bear, when provoked, is more dangerous to humans than grizzlies. The ratio is much higher for a human to die from a black bear attack than from a grizzly attack. The grizzly attacks are more frequent, but most of them are just territorial "roughing up" by the grizz. The black bear becomes psychotic.
Anyway, this bear turned on the pack of dogs (probably 9-10) and killed 3 on the spot, mauled six more (two of which died from injuries AFTER seeing the vet) and probably 2 of the 4 that remain will never be the same.
This had never happend in 45-50 years of humting, and it speaks volumes for what these unique creatures are capable of doing.
It was a good season, with about 7 bears so far, even though 6 dogs were lost. Yep, that's the right figure, there was another dog killed by another bear at the eastern part of NC, in the early part of November.
The main good part for me, was the fact that my Dad got to kill another bear this year. He had triple bypas surgery in April of 2004 and was back in action during the fall of that year. He even got within sight of a bear that year. This year he returned to good enough form to bag another bear. That makes about 40-45 bears over a 45-50 year period.
Now, me an my son pursue music with a passsion. It's the same thing my Dad and brother do in regards to bear hunting, just a different venue. I'd be there with them, if I had the time. There's just so much time and so much music that HAS to be played.
Thanks for sharing,
I glad that there's a section for whatever here on TalkBass, since we are humans with other interests.
To touch on a few subjects already discussed, I've owned 2 Labs and would love to own another and may at a later time. The first was a black male, Barney (named after Fife), born the month we bought our house in October of 1990. He lived 5 years and was a wonderful pet.
The second was a yellow male named Carter (after Ralph Stanley's brother). He was the one. Afraid of water at first, since I tried to introduce him to it at too early an age. He got over that, though. We would get on tubes at our favorite creek swimming hole and throw sticks into the deep water and Carter would tow us with his tail. He lived to be 8.
Now to the hunting. My Daddy has bear hunted for 45-50 years. He's raised and maintained dogs for this all during that time. I had the pleasure of bagging my first (and only) bear with Pop in 1987. So much music, no time for hunting now, for me, at least.
Bear hunting is dangerous. Over the years they've lost dogs due to being hit by vehicles, falling over cliffs (while in pursuit) even being shot by other stupid non-hunters while loose on a hunt.
This year was different. On Oct 26th, they truned dogs loose on a very powerful 385 pound male black bear. Now, mind you, when in college, I wrote research papers on these animals and know that the black bear, when provoked, is more dangerous to humans than grizzlies. The ratio is much higher for a human to die from a black bear attack than from a grizzly attack. The grizzly attacks are more frequent, but most of them are just territorial "roughing up" by the grizz. The black bear becomes psychotic.
Anyway, this bear turned on the pack of dogs (probably 9-10) and killed 3 on the spot, mauled six more (two of which died from injuries AFTER seeing the vet) and probably 2 of the 4 that remain will never be the same.
This had never happend in 45-50 years of humting, and it speaks volumes for what these unique creatures are capable of doing.
It was a good season, with about 7 bears so far, even though 6 dogs were lost. Yep, that's the right figure, there was another dog killed by another bear at the eastern part of NC, in the early part of November.
The main good part for me, was the fact that my Dad got to kill another bear this year. He had triple bypas surgery in April of 2004 and was back in action during the fall of that year. He even got within sight of a bear that year. This year he returned to good enough form to bag another bear. That makes about 40-45 bears over a 45-50 year period.
Now, me an my son pursue music with a passsion. It's the same thing my Dad and brother do in regards to bear hunting, just a different venue. I'd be there with them, if I had the time. There's just so much time and so much music that HAS to be played.
Thanks for sharing,
dbgal said:We'll try this again- I just wrote a treatise on dogs, but it got nuked when I tried to post it. So, the short story: We have both a lab & a German shorthair: both are good all around hunters, but the lab has a much nicer personality & was much easier to train. We've known folks with wirehair pointers, Springers, & English spaniels, but in my opinion (I know someone's going to get upset here) these breeds are high strung & more challenging to control. They are very good hunters, though if that's your primary consideration. Talk to breeders & hunting club members, and friends who have various breeds. Meet as many different dogs as possible so you can figure out breed characteristics. Go to breed websites & research them. I'd say that just about any hunting breed will do what you need it to do if you spend the time training it.
As for training tips, my husband used Gun Dog by Richard Wolters to train the shorthair, & Water Dog by the same author for the lab. I see that Wolters has a book called Game Dog that shows you how to train your retriever for both upland birds & waterfowl. Heere's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/05...002-2761090-7534454?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
If I was in your position, I'd look really hard at a lab because they're great all-around dogs, easy to live with, easy to train and handle, and have a coat that will keep them warm. You'll probably be happier in the long run if you get your dog through a breeder, but make sure he/she comes from field lines, not trial or show lines. You might get a discount if you don't get the papers- our shorthair was $250 with papers, but only $35 without. Female dogs are usually a little easier to manage, but you'll want her spayed unless you want to breed her. The males tend to be more bull-headed & often get wanderlust, especially if they aren't neutered (no offense guys, just stating my observations
Good luck!!
dbgal--
Thanks much for those tips....it gives me a place to start. A lot of my rancher/farmer friends have labs up there in the Eastriver country. They are pretty hardy dogs through the Dakota winters, and there are plenty of breeders up there. I have more than sufficient acreage to train a dog, so I believe this is going to be fun. I've watched labs work on duck and goose hunts over on the Maryland Eastern Shore, and from what I can tell, they mostly have friendly personalities and when young thrive to retrieve. Thanks again.
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STRONGBOW said:
Just remembered- there's a newer strain of labs called "pointing labs"- I don't know anything about them, but you might ask around if you're interested in that. You might be able to train a lab from a field line to do the same thing, although our lab is such a spaz outside of the duck blind I doubt she could hold a point. But we have friends with labs the same age (4) I'd swear are on 'luudes
. That Wolters book probably tells you how to train your dog to do both.Have fun!
Labs are good dogs. Request OFA (hip dysplasia) certification, maybe thyroid certification too. You can even have elbows and hocks checked.
I would really suggest regular obedience training, especially if your bird dog is going to live with you. Sit, Stay, Heel, Come.
With a pup, use a long check cord (20 ft, leash) and put a pheasant (or grouse) wing on a line with a cane pole. Teach your pup to hold a point on the wing. Use a dummy to train retrieving.
Then, get your dog out on birds. I buy some early each fall to train my dogs. This is the very best.
I have always had German Short Hair Pointers. They are relatively problem free and are really hardy. Yes, they are "hyper" but they can hunt all day. I had one when my boys were young that was a great family dog and could hunt just about anything; pheasant, grouse, ducks, even geese. I like females, and always have them spayed. Neutering does not affect how a dog hunts. Feed a good quality food and no table scraps.
I love bird hunting, so do my sons, now grown, and my dogs do too!
Walt MI/US
I would really suggest regular obedience training, especially if your bird dog is going to live with you. Sit, Stay, Heel, Come.
With a pup, use a long check cord (20 ft, leash) and put a pheasant (or grouse) wing on a line with a cane pole. Teach your pup to hold a point on the wing. Use a dummy to train retrieving.
Then, get your dog out on birds. I buy some early each fall to train my dogs. This is the very best.
I have always had German Short Hair Pointers. They are relatively problem free and are really hardy. Yes, they are "hyper" but they can hunt all day. I had one when my boys were young that was a great family dog and could hunt just about anything; pheasant, grouse, ducks, even geese. I like females, and always have them spayed. Neutering does not affect how a dog hunts. Feed a good quality food and no table scraps.
I love bird hunting, so do my sons, now grown, and my dogs do too!Walt MI/US
I can't believe that none of you commented on the mug shot of my dog. Don't you feel obliged to say "what a cute baby" when someone shows pictures of their kids regardless of what they look like? You people are breaking my heart. Were you all raised by wolves?
When I got Madeline in lived in Texas and trained her for quail and dove. I obediance trained her, which as noted is really easy with labs because instinctively want to please you and are smart enough to figure out what you want pretty quickly. I took her skeet shooting with me and she set at my feet and chewed on the spent shells when someone else was shooting, but never flinched from the shot. She had one dove and one quail hunt and we used one of each of the birds as retreiving dummies for her. She would find them in anything we threw them in and bring them to us with a perfectly soft mouth, about 90% instinct and 10% training.
Then we moved to various cities and she became a coffee house dog who loves Hank Mobley and Dave Brubeck. She still has an amazing nose and will retreive an empty paper towel roll without denting it or leaving the tinest mark.
She's showing her age now, but is still the best companion anyone could ever have. Here's the photo one more time. I want some ohhhs and ahhhs, even if you don't mean it! Don't make me post it a 3rd time!!!!
When I got Madeline in lived in Texas and trained her for quail and dove. I obediance trained her, which as noted is really easy with labs because instinctively want to please you and are smart enough to figure out what you want pretty quickly. I took her skeet shooting with me and she set at my feet and chewed on the spent shells when someone else was shooting, but never flinched from the shot. She had one dove and one quail hunt and we used one of each of the birds as retreiving dummies for her. She would find them in anything we threw them in and bring them to us with a perfectly soft mouth, about 90% instinct and 10% training.
Then we moved to various cities and she became a coffee house dog who loves Hank Mobley and Dave Brubeck. She still has an amazing nose and will retreive an empty paper towel roll without denting it or leaving the tinest mark.
She's showing her age now, but is still the best companion anyone could ever have. Here's the photo one more time. I want some ohhhs and ahhhs, even if you don't mean it! Don't make me post it a 3rd time!!!!
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Hey cool! I came across this thread on a search since I don't usually hit the DB side. Here's a thread about the whitetail buck I got over Thanksgiviing:
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214776
I hunt hogs a lot out here but I don't have hog dogs. I usually stalk hunt with a Ruger Blackhawk .357 mag revolver loaded with Cor-bon 200gr cast bullets. I've had a thread or two over in the electric bass off topic before showing pics of hogs.
I also love to turkey hunt. Here in central Texas where our land is we have a pretty good turkey population but only a 1 month long spring season. Other counties in Texas have extended fall seasons too.
brad cook
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=214776
I hunt hogs a lot out here but I don't have hog dogs. I usually stalk hunt with a Ruger Blackhawk .357 mag revolver loaded with Cor-bon 200gr cast bullets. I've had a thread or two over in the electric bass off topic before showing pics of hogs.
I also love to turkey hunt. Here in central Texas where our land is we have a pretty good turkey population but only a 1 month long spring season. Other counties in Texas have extended fall seasons too.
brad cook
keykendrick said:
Maddy seems to have the same "My life sucks" look our shorthair does- maybe that's just an old-dog thing? Our shorthair will be 14 in April if she makes it that long- deaf as a post, but still tries to play & gets around good. She can even still get in the back of my car by herself on a good day. In her day she was a hunting machine- chukkar, pheasants, quail, but mostly ducks. But Madeline does look like a sweetie- I'm sure she digs the coffee house circuit as much as she loves hunting. I'm sure she gets a lot more attention, & they certainly deserve the good life after all those years of being such good friends. To Maddy!
