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I ain't no rat, but.....

To rat or not to rat?

  • Rat em out personally

    Votes: 21 29.2%

  • Rat em out anonymously

    Votes: 32 44.4%

  • Tell them you've seen them stealing time and to knock it off

    Votes: 15 20.8%

  • Leave it alone

    Votes: 3 4.2%

  • Ratty carrots

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Total voters
    72
#65
Either rat them out quietly to management or leave it alone. Do NOT confront these two jack rods in any way. If they cop an attitude at you there is no telling what they might do to get even. It's not about being scared of them. It's about the lies they might make up about you to the bosses. I've seen this kind of garbage get really out of hand to the point where the innocent party actually got fired.
 
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#66
sharkbait130 said:
Either rat them out quietly to management or leave it alone. Do NOT confront these two jack rods in any way. If they cop an attitude at you there is no telling what they might do to get even. It's not about being scared of them. It's about the lies they might make up about you to the bosses. I've seen this kind of garbage get really out of hand to the point where the innocent party actually got fired.
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I agree. If their morals are such that they will steal from others, no telling what they might do to your car in the parking lot or worse. I would inform management quietly.
 
#67
Munjibunga said:
One can only assume that what one posts is a product of his mind. I can read your posts.
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Are you really interested in understanding what I'm trying to say? Because when you echo back the way you interpreted my words, it sounds to me that you're still projecting your interpretation and asking me to justify it.


Subsequent to my first post I posted the following in response to Gorn,
INTP said:
I understand that you were only asking about what you as an interested observer might do about the situation. I responded with something different, using words like, "It seems to me...", and "...if it were me, I'd look at it as a sign..." to point in a different direction. We have different experiences, and different preferences, so it's natural that we will perceive different things in situations like this. If my perspective does not resonate with you, then you are obviously under no obligation to agree, or even to consider it.
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After my posting that, you asked me the following:
Munjibunga said:
So you're saying he should quit because two buttheads are stealing time? You're really overthinking this.
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If you had read and understood my posts, I don't really understand why you posted that question, or how you can claim to be able to understand my posts. I'm pretty sure that what I posted to Gorn is inconsistent with your assertion.

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I could certainly have been more clear in what I stated in my first response to Gorn's OP, particularly to be more clear that I was sharing what came to mind. But I didn't then, nor do I now presume to know everything that would be necessary to fully assess the situation and make a decision as important as leaving the company over one incident.
 
#68
INTP said:
Are you really interested in understanding what I'm trying to say? Because when you echo back the way you interpreted my words, it sounds to me that you're still projecting your interpretation and asking me to justify it.


Subsequent to my first post I posted the following in response to Gorn,

After my posting that, you asked me the following:


If you had read and understood my posts, I don't really understand why you posted that question, or how you can claim to be able to understand my posts. I'm pretty sure that what I posted to Gorn is inconsistent with your assertion.

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I could certainly have been more clear in what I stated in my first response to Gorn's OP, particularly to be more clear that I was sharing what came to mind. But I didn't then, nor do I now presume to know everything that would be necessary to fully assess the situation and make a decision as important as leaving the company over one incident.
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Annnnnnnd ... out.
 
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#69
Look we all bend the rules a little. We may sneak food into the movie theater. Maybe go a little above the speed limit. Some of us outlaws may remove the tag off the mattress that says under penalty of law do not remove. If the referee doesn't see it then it is a fair play.

The time clock, money is nice but this sounds like amateur hour. The hours go right to the books right to the referee....Not a fair play. I wouldn't rat just confront them professionally letting them know that their time clock stunt is effecting your and other people's overtime and it won't be tolerated. You all gotta make a living.
 
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#72
Seriously just suggest a more efficient time keeping system. Or a visible camara over the time clock. I don't know that going on a crusade to management specifically against two people is the right answer.

Wouldn't you rather someone make a blanket statement to management regarding Internet Security or phone usage instead of taking a picture of you watching bass videos on YouTube or reading talkbass and trying to actively either get you fired or suspended? It's funny how many people think goofing off in their office is completely different then what they're doing.

Tell them that you've heard there may be a problem, suggest a solution, and then let them do their job and investigate. Confronting the employees directly is just going to create unnecessary drama.
 
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#73
When I changed careers and began training in prosthetic fabrication, the owner of the shop that hired me quickly delegated all leadership duties to his original technician before me and then checked out for several months (years) of personal divorce drama. That left the entire company in the hands of a guy who would show up a half-hour late, completely hung over, who would then clock himself in at regular time and then disappear into the bathroom for a 45-minute smoke break/nap on the throne. The time-theft was so obvious and blatant, that I made the decision to mind my own business, keep my focus on technical proficiency and let the two of them figure it out. I certainly would have answered any questions from the owner truthfully, if asked, but this situation was way out of my control.

As I quietly predicted early on, the original technician was astonished when he suddenly lost his job at the same time I was able to take on projects autonomously.

In that case, I had to create an ad hoc algorithm to weigh the pro's and con's and ultimately determined that as an apprentice, I wasn't responsible for managing my supervisor on behalf of an absentee boss who was simply waiting to fire the guy anyway. Shop jobs are WAY different than office jobs, so, whatever.
 
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#74
If you know when one of them is getting ready to punch the other out, unplug the time clock before he gets the chance. Then he'll be standing there with his buddy's card, his buddy will be gone, etc.

What's he gonna do? Go to HR and complain he can't punch his friend out? The his friend will have to go to HR the next day and admit failing to punch out.
 
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#75
Immigrant said:
If you know when one of them is getting ready to punch the other out, unplug the time clock before he gets the chance. Then he'll be standing there with his buddy's card, his buddy will be gone, etc.

What's he gonna do? Go to HR and complain he can't punch his friend out? The his friend will have to go to HR the next day and admit failing to punch out.
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Or he'll just say he couldn't punch out because someone tampered with the time clock. Meanwhile, all the employees doing the right thing will be in HR as well because someone messed with the clock and their time is screwed up too.


Then they find out it's you who did it and.......


I work for a very large corporation and maybe things work differently in a smaller place, but this would not end well for the OP at my job. The most likely scenario would be that every one would still have a job and the OP would be reviled.
 
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blue4 said:
How? Unless there's a camera right there he can just go in the next day and say he noticed that his card didn't punch. What are you going to say? That's because I tampered with it?
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Okay. It's obvious this is a way more serious topic for you than it is for me. Whose to say the guy who is punching his buddy out is going to just shrug his shoulders and put his friend's card back?

You're right. There is nothing the OP can do. Employers are just going to face the fact that employees will steal time using the cards and pay them anyway.

To heck with it. Rat on em Gorn.
 

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