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I am forever haunted by drummer troubles...

I've had a heavy metal cover band going for about a year now and although every gig goes down really well, it's still so very slow. Mainly because our drummers are all over the place!

Our very first drummer ended up with a tag and a 7pm curfew for 3 months... What gig ends at 6pm? We had to fire him.

Our main issue is with the guy we have now. He's probably the BEST drummer I've ever played with, also he's a great singer and provides some fantastic BVs (the rest of us are either no good or just too shy) and he's also absolutely charming. He tells jokes, the crowd love him, all the band love him (hell, I LIVE with him and the vocalist) and we all just get along so well within the band.

But, like many talented musicians, he can get himself in a right old state. He doesn't have his own kit (not even breakables) he has no transport, and doesn't even have enough money to pay his share at rehearsals, although we still pay him for gigs. A couple of months ago he also got himself a girlfriend who lives pretty far away... He never comes home! He wont practice, he says he can't do the gigs, he wont go to uni anymore, I haven't seen him in about a month and I live with the guy! (We've begun to refer to his girlfriend as 'yoko', he started bringing her to his other band's practice and she sat around complaining the whole time...)

We had a gig christmas eve and unsurprisingly he wouldn't come. We found a guy to fill in on drums, he was very good considering we only had one 4-hour practice all together. He's also a very nice guy, actually reliable and enthusiastic! But he's this kinda dweeby little guy, doesn't really fit a METAL band, no hair to throw around, he's shy, wont do BVs and generally just isn't that drummer we all love! Also then I was the only person doing BVs and I'm really not good enough.

Well after that gig this dep drummer said how much he enjoyed playing with us, and we'd all warmed up the idea of keeping him on (we might recruit a keyboardist who can do BVs).

But I get home and there's a message from our current drummer saying how he wished he could have been there and how he can't wait to get back to playing with us... I just don't know what to do! He says he's turning over a new leaf this year and sorting himself out but should I risk it? Four of us have uni assessments riding on this band and are actually serious about making money, we can't give up on it! I also don't want to ruin friendships by firing him, he used to make rehearsals so much fun!
 
Your band is in a sad state when youre considering keeping an unreliable drummer because his only assets are 'he's a nice guy' and 'he looks metal'.

Stereotypes are for the stereotypical. If you want to be something more than that, go with the guy you can depend on, despite his 'dweeby little' frame (and maybe lose the prejudice while youre at it, Ive seen a 'skinny little dweeby guy' knock out some hot **** wannabe metal head with a single punch).
 
Your band is in a sad state when youre considering keeping an unreliable drummer because his only assets are 'he's a nice guy' and 'he looks metal'.

Stereotypes are for the stereotypical. If you want to be something more than that, go with the guy you can depend on, despite his 'dweeby little' frame (and maybe lose the prejudice while youre at it, Ive seen a 'skinny little dweeby guy' knock out some hot **** wannabe metal head with a single punch).

Yeah your in a Metal band, what does looks matter your not in a Pop Rock Band.

Metal, I mean it's just long hair and grungy looking threads right?

Take the good drummer there hard to find. Do you want to look metal or sound metal?
 
Yeah your in a Metal band, what does looks matter your not in a Pop Rock Band.

Metal, I mean it's just long hair and grungy looking threads right?

Take the good drummer there hard to find. Do you want to look metal or sound metal?

At first glance I thought you were responding to me, but it looks more like your furthering along my point. I find the image thing kinda funny. I mean, I get it, but some people play up the importance of image over skill way too much. I find it hilarious when a punk band says that an auditionee did not look 'punk enough'. The way I see it, metal is similar to punk in this regard. Everyone knows what a stereotypical 'punk' or 'metal' look is. It reminds me of the movie SLC Punk, where the guy in the movie who embraces the punk attitude more than anyone else is the guy who doesnt dress punk at all.

After all that, if youre still concerned about the new drummers image, you can all pitch in and buy him a black Slayer shirt, and have him wear that at every gig.
 
Get the reliable guy a wig. I always prefer reliable musicians over brilliant-but-unreliable ones.

Yup, sadly I had to let go of one of the most brilliant drummers I could ever have in my band. He was the perfrct fit for the band skill-wise. Too bad he couldnt control his drinking, get himself some transportation, and set his mind straight. That guy could go so far if he only tried...
 
At first glance I thought you were responding to me, but it looks more like your furthering along my point. I find the image thing kinda funny. I mean, I get it, but some people play up the importance of image over skill way too much. I find it hilarious when a punk band says that an auditionee did not look 'punk enough'. The way I see it, metal is similar to punk in this regard. Everyone knows what a stereotypical 'punk' or 'metal' look is. It reminds me of the movie SLC Punk, where the guy in the movie who embraces the punk attitude more than anyone else is the guy who doesnt dress punk at all.

After all that, if youre still concerned about the new drummers image, you can all pitch in and buy him a black Slayer shirt, and have him wear that at every gig.


Exactly, regardless of genre, you want to sound good and good drummers are hard to find.

This guy should understand a drummer can make or break a band. If they sound like (*&^, it isn't going to matter how metal they look.
 
I guess image is a touchy subject, sorry guys! That really isn't what I was trying to get across, that's NOT why we want to keep our current drummer... It's that the current drummer is just better at drums, better at backing vocals, he's more of a metal drummer anyway (not his appearance, it's just what he's into) and he just has that rock and roll attitude. I suppose it's exactly that rock and roll attitude that is causing us the problems though!
 
Make sure they answer some basic questions (you've outlined several) before they are invited to audition, or rehearse.

The greatest talents may be the worst for showing up on time, understanding the business side, seeming like they care,
or making up for their negatives in other ways...
 
I guess image is a touchy subject, sorry guys! That really isn't what I was trying to get across, that's NOT why we want to keep our current drummer... It's that the current drummer is just better at drums, better at backing vocals, he's more of a metal drummer anyway (not his appearance, it's just what he's into) and he just has that rock and roll attitude. I suppose it's exactly that rock and roll attitude that is causing us the problems though!

Keep the dependable drummer, and make your other drummer the lead singer. Sounds like it may be a better fit for his personality. That way if he flakes on you, you aren't completely out, since I'm assuming at least one of you in the band handles lead vocals.
 
You haven't seen the one guy for a month, he wouldn't do a gig, and you're really asking what you should do???

Go with the guy who actually shows up. Ask him if he'll wear a wig or at least more "metal" clothing if you're that concerned about looks. Go with him and don't look back. The old guy has basically already fired himself. It doesn't matter how good his chops are if he isn't showing up.
 
Go with the reliable drummer.

It's one thing not to be able to make it to practice. It happens. Some folks are more lazy or flaky or whatever. If they're brilliant, it can be handled.


But if your current drummer makes it a habit to miss gigs, kick him out and put a guy that WILL be there.