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I compared Neural DSP Parallax against Darkglass Ultra

I decided to do a comprehensive comparison of Parallax against Darkglass Ultra, and then pick one to buy (Neural DSP has a sale that's ending tomorrow). I watched YouTube videos of other people's comparison tests, and also emailed Neural DSP asking for their advice. Everyone seemed to say Parallax is the more versatile/better choice, but I had to find out for myself, using my own criteria.

So I recorded a few basslines of the kind of stuff I'd actually want to use these plugins on, and then set up the plugins on different buses in my DAW and began doing comparisons. What I recorded were basically prog metal type basslines with finger style, pick, and slap.

I first tried all the available presets and listened to the range of tone shaping capabilities they represented. Then I tried all the tone shaping controls in both to get familiar with how they altered the sound. Next, I tweaked the plugins to create a few of my own presets that have the kind of tones I might use, and then I tried to replicate the same sound with the other plugin. I would do a preset with Darkglass Ultra, and then tried to match it with Parallax, and vice versa. This was done to identify whether they could sound just like each other, and how much work it would take to match each other.

Initially, it seemed like it was much faster to dial in a desirable tone with Darkglass Ultra than with Parallax, but once you get into very detailed tweaking for a very specific sound you have in mind, Parallax wins out in terms of clarity in tone and intuitive GUI. With the same amount of distortion, Darkglass Ultra tends to have a fuzzier sound, and Parallax tends to have a clearer sound. Parallax's GUI is also more intuitive for software, whereas Darkglass Ultra is basically just the hardware version mapped onto a software plugin, and that's not optimal because are no visual cues like the graph window in Parallax.

But there was one thing I really didn't like about Parallax. Even on the lowest drive setting (at 0), the mid and high still had too much distortion. There's no way to get a "barely distorted" setting in the mid and high. You can try to lower their volume or use the EQ, but it's not the same thing as keeping their amplitude the same but with less distortion. To me, that was a major deal-breaker, because often I want a tone that's just very slightly distorted, and Parallax isn't suitable for that, while Darkglass Ultra is much better at it, because you can dial in very low distortion and/or blend with the original sound. So I asked myself if I could figure out a workaround would overcome this issue with Parallax, and if I could do it pretty easily, I would buy Parallax.

The solution I came up with is this: Add another bus for the bass and put a high-pass EQ on it, so the low frequencies are taken out at the same frequencies as the lows in Parallax, leaving just the mids and highs (I do this because I want to keep the compressed lows in Parallax, as that compressor is very good and I like the sound a lot). This will be my clean bass tone that can offset the too much distortion of the mids and highs in Parallax. I simply adjust how prominent the clean tone is in the mix (and if needed, I can lower the mids and highs in Parallax), and that's it. With this simple workaround, Parallax becomes even more versatile, and does everything I want. I then pulled the trigger and bought Parallax.

Anyway, I just wanted to share my experience with y'all, and hopefully it can help others with their decision and production workflow.
 
I decided to do a comprehensive comparison of Parallax against Darkglass Ultra, and then pick one to buy (Neural DSP has a sale that's ending tomorrow). I watched YouTube videos of other people's comparison tests, and also emailed Neural DSP asking for their advice. Everyone seemed to say Parallax is the more versatile/better choice, but I had to find out for myself, using my own criteria.

So I recorded a few basslines of the kind of stuff I'd actually want to use these plugins on, and then set up the plugins on different buses in my DAW and began doing comparisons. What I recorded were basically prog metal type basslines with finger style, pick, and slap.

I first tried all the available presets and listened to the range of tone shaping capabilities they represented. Then I tried all the tone shaping controls in both to get familiar with how they altered the sound. Next, I tweaked the plugins to create a few of my own presets that have the kind of tones I might use, and then I tried to replicate the same sound with the other plugin. I would do a preset with Darkglass Ultra, and then tried to match it with Parallax, and vice versa. This was done to identify whether they could sound just like each other, and how much work it would take to match each other.

Initially, it seemed like it was much faster to dial in a desirable tone with Darkglass Ultra than with Parallax, but once you get into very detailed tweaking for a very specific sound you have in mind, Parallax wins out in terms of clarity in tone and intuitive GUI. With the same amount of distortion, Darkglass Ultra tends to have a fuzzier sound, and Parallax tends to have a clearer sound. Parallax's GUI is also more intuitive for software, whereas Darkglass Ultra is basically just the hardware version mapped onto a software plugin, and that's not optimal because are no visual cues like the graph window in Parallax.

But there was one thing I really didn't like about Parallax. Even on the lowest drive setting (at 0), the mid and high still had too much distortion. There's no way to get a "barely distorted" setting in the mid and high. You can try to lower their volume or use the EQ, but it's not the same thing as keeping their amplitude the same but with less distortion. To me, that was a major deal-breaker, because often I want a tone that's just very slightly distorted, and Parallax isn't suitable for that, while Darkglass Ultra is much better at it, because you can dial in very low distortion and/or blend with the original sound. So I asked myself if I could figure out a workaround would overcome this issue with Parallax, and if I could do it pretty easily, I would buy Parallax.

The solution I came up with is this: Add another bus for the bass and put a high-pass EQ on it, so the low frequencies are taken out at the same frequencies as the lows in Parallax, leaving just the mids and highs (I do this because I want to keep the compressed lows in Parallax, as that compressor is very good and I like the sound a lot). This will be my clean bass tone that can offset the too much distortion of the mids and highs in Parallax. I simply adjust how prominent the clean tone is in the mix (and if needed, I can lower the mids and highs in Parallax), and that's it. With this simple workaround, Parallax becomes even more versatile, and does everything I want. I then pulled the trigger and bought Parallax.

Anyway, I just wanted to share my experience with y'all, and hopefully it can help others with their decision and production workflow.
I also wish that Parallax could get cleaner!
 
This is a good comparison between the two plugins! I own both as well as some of the hardware pedals and I think your descriptions are spot on.

I 've preferred the B7k/Vintage and even the alpha omega pedals because for me they excel at mild to mid gain gritty sounds. Just strike a good balance between the gain and blend knobs and you can retain the character of your bass and still sound like a bass but with some added grit and breakup and clank added to taste.

The X series/Parallax while they sound great at what they do both with the hardware and they plugin I've found that there's always too much gain for certain types of sounds I was after. Even running the pedal at 12 and 18 volts for more headroom. I also seem to notice something weird happens to the mids around the crossover point that I don't like compared to the B7k. The plus side is you can get a HUGE low end while getting a super gnarly mid/top grind and you can really pinpoint and shape the frequencies of the distortion with the filters and EQ. The Parallax plugin is also very useful for sound design it's great slapped across drum loops or vocals for all kinds of interesting distorted sounds.


It's all a matter of what you're after sound wise both are very good at what they do but I'm more a fan of the B7k type drive and the alpha omega (which the 2 stack together awesome).
 
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Hi,
So is it possible with this plugin to (on the same channel with one instance) route the Vintage 'direct in to the' BK like they were in series?
Or do they have to be run on two separate channels with one instance on each channel routing one in to the other?
Thx.
(Never mind. Looks like the offer has finished.)
 
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Hi,
So is it possible with this plugin to (on the same channel with one instance) route the Vintage 'direct in to the' BK like they were in series?
Or do they have to be run on two separate channels with one instance on each channel routing one in to the other?
Thx.
(Never mind. Looks like the offer has finished.)
To answer your question it’s either /or with the vintage / b7k so you’d need to run 2 instances of the plugin to achieve that.
 
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I've tried both of them.

Parallax is fine and the first time I played through it my mind was blown away... smashing,grinding and powerful tone...but to my ears it can be fatiguing after a while. Too much "wall of sound" IMO.

I found B7K more "ear friendly" and powerful as well.

I'd like to have both plugins 3 years ago when we recorded our album.
 
I've tried both of them.

Parallax is fine and the first time I played through it my mind was blown away... smashing,grinding and powerful tone...but to my ears it can be fatiguing after a while. Too much "wall of sound" IMO.

I found B7K more "ear friendly" and powerful as well.

I'd like to have both plugins 3 years ago when we recorded our album.

With my simple workaround of adding a send bus with the clean signal but high-passed, and then blend that with the Parallax affected tone, you'll be able to dial in tones that barely have any distortion at all. Everything else Ultra/B7K does can be done with Parallax, but with GUI designed specifically for software, as well as able to achieve cleaner tones, and the tone-shaping is more flexible. But both are great. If Parallax didn't exist I'd have bought Ultra.
 
With my simple workaround of adding a send bus with the clean signal but high-passed, and then blend that with the Parallax affected tone, you'll be able to dial in tones that barely have any distortion at all. Everything else Ultra/B7K does can be done with Parallax, but with GUI designed specifically for software, as well as able to achieve cleaner tones, and the tone-shaping is more flexible. But both are great. If Parallax didn't exist I'd have bought Ultra.

Do you by any chance have sound clips of this? I'm looking at buying one or the other since they're on sale through tomorrow. My concern is not being able to get a good clean tone - not that I really use clean tones much, but it's better to have and not need than to need and not have. :)
 
I don't know if the sounds I was going for would be useful for the tones you are specifically after. I think the best way to find out which one is for you, is to test drive the trial versions of both side-by-side and try to create the ideal tones you want with both. Trying them yourself is important because sound clips others made can't inform you of how you will take to the GUI and workflow of each product, and that is something very subjective. Some people will choose easier workflow over flexibility or tone, or vice versa.
 
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Do you by any chance have sound clips of this? I'm looking at buying one or the other since they're on sale through tomorrow. My concern is not being able to get a good clean tone - not that I really use clean tones much, but it's better to have and not need than to need and not have. :)
There's free 14-day trials of all Neural plug-ins - go try them both out!
 
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I initially found the parallax drive a bit over the top as well, although after putting a compressor in front of it and reducing the master gain, I found it rather easy to dial in a warm overdrive with the right amount of dirt. Over all the darkglass ultra seems far less dynamic, especially in the low end, the parallax low pass comp is top notch.
 
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I have the same experience with the Parallax. With isolated bass it sounds too aggressive with the lowest drive settings. However, in the mix it blends in better and doesn’t seem too aggressive.

Adding the bus as described is a great idea and agree it makes the Parallax more versatile. I have both plugins and this allows for more variety.

Either one is outstanding. Neural DSP is my new secret weapon for recording. And, Darkglass is my secret weapons live!
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I have the same experience with the Parallax. With isolated bass it sounds too aggressive with the lowest drive settings. However, in the mix it blends in better and doesn’t seem too aggressive.

Adding the bus as described is a great idea and agree it makes the Parallax more versatile. I have both plugins and this allows for more variety.

Either one is outstanding. Neural DSP is my new secret weapon for recording. And, Darkglass is my secret weapons live!
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Turn down the input gain - that's at least my key for getting the aggression in check. My 'clean' preset in Parallax has input gain at -7 dB, for my high output Dingwall basses.
 
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The solution I came up with is this: Add another bus for the bass and put a high-pass EQ on it, so the low frequencies are taken out at the same frequencies as the lows in Parallax, leaving just the mids and highs (I do this because I want to keep the compressed lows in Parallax, as that compressor is very good and I like the sound a lot). This will be my clean bass tone that can offset the too much distortion of the mids and highs in Parallax. I simply adjust how prominent the clean tone is in the mix (and if needed, I can lower the mids and highs in Parallax), and that's it. With this simple workaround, Parallax becomes even more versatile, and does everything I want. I then pulled the trigger and bought Parallax.

That's a technique a number of bass players have stumbled across over the years as a way of getting a great drive tone with clarity with the low end messing it up. Studio engineers do this quite a lot for bass. It's pretty much the reason Billy Sheehan added another output to his bass.

This is one reason why I love my Helix. Its flexible routing options allow you to do the same thing. Split a path, effect them and recombine. It's totally transformed my drive tones. You can even split at a given frequency and send all the lows to one path and the highs to the other.

The other variation on this them is to duplicate your track, give one a clean scooped eq, and the other a dirty frown eq so the dirt only sits in the mid range.
 
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That's a technique a number of bass players have stumbled across over the years as a way of getting a great drive tone with clarity with the low end messing it up. Studio engineers do this quite a lot for bass. It's pretty much the reason Billy Sheehan added another output to his bass.

This is one reason why I love my Helix. Its flexible routing options allow you to do the same thing. Split a path, effect them and recombine. It's totally transformed my drive tones. You can even split at a given frequency and send all the lows to one path and the highs to the other.

The other variation on this them is to duplicate your track, give one a clean scooped eq, and the other a dirty frown eq so the dirt only sits in the mid range.
This splitting/recombining is the whole purpose of the Parallax by itself though, the problem is that they didn’t provide a large enough gain range to accommodate lower gain tones that many of us utilize (same problem as the DG X pedals). It’s a shame to me, because I really like the tones I can dial in on the X Ultra and the Parallax would make up for its other shortcoming (an inherent strong mid scoop when the high crossover is set high for clankier drive tones).
 
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This splitting/recombining is the whole purpose of the Parallax by itself though, the problem is that they didn’t provide a large enough gin range to accommodate lower gain tones that many of us utilize (same problem as the DG X pedals). It’s a shame to me, because I really like the tones I can dial in on the X Ultra and the Parallax would make up for its other shortcoming (an inherent strong mid scoop when the high crossover is set high for clankier drive tones).
I'll keep saying it - you can get low gain tones from Parallax if you turn the input gain down :thumbsup:

It is without a doubt very hot on the default input gain, but if you back it off it cleans up a lot.