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I didn't do due dilligence and I paid for it

Apr 11, 2005
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This weekend, I was up in Wildwood NJ for two shows at the Wildwood Convention Center, a medium sized arena...one night was my band by ourselves, the next night was a Bowzer oldies show with Chubby Checker, Freddy Cannon, The Chiffons, The Tokens, Frankie Lymon's Teenagers, and The Vogues, and I backed up everyone but The Vogues, who had their own band but used our rented bass amp, keys and drums. Naturally, they brought extra guitar amps because everyone loves the guitarists but the rest of us had to share gear.

I had to play upright, so I had a bunch of pedals I had to bring, and I decided to forego the REDDI so I could bring a smaller suitcase, and I brought a Countryman that I figured I'd run through the speaker out of the SVT rig the backline company brought for me. Didn't have to use my Countryman because they had one for me. The first night went great...the FOH and monitor guy were excellent and loved the speaker out DI. The next night...not so great.

Why? Because after we did our soundcheck, the Vogues came up and did a soundcheck, and the sound tech told the cable runner to run a second DI and mic line for the Vogues' bass player and run it into the SVT's input. So what does this idiot do? He disconnected my speaker DI, ran the Vogues bassist into the second DI, took my own personal speaker cables that I brought specifically for this purpose, and ran one into the amp and cab and ran the other from the DI out into the SVT's input! A freaking speaker cable! And then he switched out my line with his when the Vogues were done. No speaker DI for me. All this dope had to do was unplug my cable from the SVT's input and plug his in. Done.

I didn't even think for a second to stand guard over my setup while they were setting up because of the positive reaction of the two main sound guys who loved the speaker DI. But they threw an idiot into the mix and he screwed everything up. So all I know is that the rig sounded a little noisier than it did the night before, and I didn't realize he had done that until it came time for the switchover.

I lost it on the guy. I told him that -I- was the headliner's bassist, not the Vogues' bassist, and I had set that rig up that way for a reason and he just pooped all over me, and even though I'm renting, that rig is MINE and nothing like that should have been done without consulting me. He says without any trace of apology, "I was just doing what they told me to do." I said, "They told you to disconnect my awesome sounding setup and suck the life out of my tone after raving about it? Thanks a lot, dude," then I stormed off. Not like I can go back and do the whole show over again.

So now I realize that no matter how much respect someone else on the crew gives me, when bands are sharing equipment, there is always the possibility of someone coming along and wrecking it. Yes, the show still went on, and yes, the crowd enjoyed it. That's not the point. I'm just sick of the attitude that it's OK to do things to the bass player that they would never do to anyone else in the band. So now when another band is using my gear, instead of getting to relax and go eat after standing up there 2 or 3 hours soundchecking and rehearsing, I will have to stand up there for another hour and babysit my rig and make sure some dope doesn't screw me again, no matter how much the sound crew liked my setup. Lesson learned.
 
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Are you in the position of having a clause in the performance rider that states "NO backline equipment will be changed or modified without the consent AND supervision of the band's representatives"?

That may not completely stop bone-headed moves by support people (and that's one of the more bone-headed moves I've heard of involving bass DIs), but hopefully the support guys would see it and at least think about it.

Or not...
 
And now we know why the really big shows (e.g. superbowl half time) lip sync.

I play the same venue every weekend and somehow, the soundboard is never the same twice. Folks come in during the week and mess around with the instruments we leave in place (drums, keyboard) which you'd think wouldn't be a problem since we have a digital soundboard - nope, there's still a soundboard odyssey every weekend.
 
Are you in the position of having a clause in the performance rider that states "NO backline equipment will be changed or modified without the consent AND supervision of the band's representatives"?

That may not completely stop bone-headed moves by support people (and that's one of the more bone-headed moves I've heard of involving bass DIs), but hopefully the support guys would see it and at least think about it.

Or not...
For Bowzer gigs we do, but actually, it's almost never an issue with backline. Only this time was it an issue.
 
Well I love all the acts except Chubby and the Vogues (only worked with the Vogues once before, never worked with Chubby before but have worked gigs he was on where he totally shined us on). But now that I've been doing shows like that for 17 years, I tend to think less about them and more about myself :D
 
So now when another band is using my gear, instead of getting to relax and go eat after standing up there 2 or 3 hours soundchecking and rehearsing, I will have to stand up there for another hour and babysit my rig and make sure some dope doesn't screw me again, no matter how much the sound crew liked my setup.
naw man, you just gotta get up there 3 minutes early, look at your rig to see where somebody might have f**ked you (like the guy you told us about that unplugged your nice cab mic when you weren't looking) route your stuff back the way it's supposed to be and start the show.

if you pull the mic cable first, re-rout everything, then plug the mic cable back in when it's all sorted, there shouldn't be any surprise thumps through the system; if the first song is louder or quieter than the guy at the board is expecting, well, it wasn't when you soundchecked, so that's not your fault now is it?
 
naw man, you just gotta get up there 3 minutes early, look at your rig to see where somebody might have f**ked you (like the guy you told us about that unplugged your nice cab mic when you weren't looking) route your stuff back the way it's supposed to be and start the show.

if you pull the mic cable first, re-rout everything, then plug the mic cable back in when it's all sorted, there shouldn't be any surprise thumps through the system; if the first song is louder or quieter than the guy at the board is expecting, well, it wasn't when you soundchecked, so that's not your fault now is it?
Good point!
 
Jimmy, it's a proven fact and discussed on this forum numerous times that no one cares about the bassist's tone. :bag:

Fortunately my band has a decent system, so we always sound check first and set the FOH and leave our equipment backlined no matter when we play in the rotation. Always have to watch the other bands like a hawk to prevent crap like this happening.
 
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